[ SECRET POST #4108 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4108 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Korg from Thor: Ragnarok]


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[Knight Squad]


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(Yellow Diamond from Steven Universe, "What's the Use of Feeling Blue")


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(the cast from Altered Carbon)


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(Zimmy, Gunnerkrigg Court)














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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, for Pete's sake, I'm not saying that it's a righteous and justified crusade - for either side. I'm saying that some people find some other people annoying. That's all that I'm saying.

[(Anonymous)]

It's an honest question on my part. Why are they annoying? My impression is that most of the ire here is directed toward the ship -- for being abusive or whatnot. When the argument is made that fans of a ship is the worst part of it, it's usually accompanied by actual bad behavior on the part of the fans. I can understand why some people dislike certain Johnlock fans, or J2 fans, for example.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally: I find the ship annoying, and I find the shippers annoying because they are very, very convinced that the ship is actually canon (as opposed to teased/hinted) and they come off as extremely triumphalist about that.

I don't think that either of those things is a crime or anything, they're not doing anything actually wrong, it just annoys me on a personal and subjective level.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this. It does get annoying.

[(Anonymous)]

What if the characters end up together? Cause in that scenario the sippers would be the ones who were right and were reading the canon correctly. Would you still think they are annoying?

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Entirely offtopic: "sippers" is making me imagine sippy cups shipping reylo.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, because a ship becoming canon at the end of a series doesn't make it retroactively canon for the entire series - Rey and Kylo were never together in TFA, and they weren't together by the end of TLJ, but the obnoxious portions of the shipper camp are insisting that not only will they get together, they're currently together in canon and anyone who likes any other ship is doing it wrong.

Also they will be unbearably smug if their ship becomes canon, and smug people are always annoying.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, there've been a few recent cases of crack ships in my fandoms becoming canon. Doesn't mean they had basis when people first started shipping them. It was a nice but totally random coincidence for the shippers that their ships became canon.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Epistemic luck.

[(Anonymous)]

It would depend on a lot of things? This is a very counterfactual/hypothetical situation so it's complicated and I'm probably going to sound crazy.

I would probably still consider their behavior up to this point to have been annoying. I don't know if they would still be annoying in the future - I don't know how they'll act in the future - but, yeah, it wouldn't change my opinion of how they've been acting lately. Part of that is because I think they're annoying regardless of their rightness.

Part of that is because... like... Kylo and Rey ending up together is a possibility, right, and it has some chance of coming true, which we evaluate based on the strength of the available evidence for it, right? Right. But just because it ends up playing out a certain way, that doesn't necessarily mean that a reasonable person should have concluded that it would play out that way based on the evidence that was available at the time. Even if they later turn out to be right, I would still think that they were overstating their case as it stands right at this moment.

And then, a lot of it depends on how the resolution played out. If Rey and Kylo end up being together romantically and alive and without massive, significant sacrifices on the part of one or both, that would maybe prove Reylo fans right. But it's hard for me to see that being a good, satisfying ending, based on everything that's gone before. So it would be annoying on that level already.

But, you know, it's all good, really, this is just my personal feelings and reactions and nothing more than that.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think that when people start becoming invested in ships becoming "canon" that active tinhatting and harassment of creators and other fans tend to follow. Although I will admit that Reylo has been relatively restrained compared to shit fandoms like Sherlock and Supernatural lately.

[(Anonymous)]

if they had any sj flavored ammo in their arsenal for reasons why it 'should' be canon i think the tinhatting would be much worse. but as it stands it's a white-het ship so there's no faux representation arguments to be made.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I think what people find annoying is that they will take literally anything and make it about how canon and romantic rey/kylo is. So they tend to insert their own insular fandom beliefs (extreme sympathy for Kylo and interpreting everything either character does as sexual tension) into spaces where people have no reason to not see Kylo as an unambiguous villain.

Personally I think there is some canon merit to the ship, but I find the way reylo shippers interpret rey really distasteful. That's just me though.

In some ways they remind me of Destiel fans? Like they're having so much fun they've lost perspective.