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[ SECRET POST #4108 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4108 ⌋

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[Korg from Thor: Ragnarok]

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[Knight Squad]

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(Yellow Diamond from Steven Universe, "What's the Use of Feeling Blue")

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(the cast from Altered Carbon)

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(Zimmy, Gunnerkrigg Court)

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Based on secret #2 and the idea that FS is swarming with antis, what makes an anti an anti? Is it enough to hate something? To be loud in your loathing for something on neutral ground like FS? Or do you have to find a Pro-Thing-You-Hate space or Fan-of-Thing-You-Hate and fling abuse at them like a monkey flinging shit?

Does anyone here on FS consider themself an anti? Against what? Anyone here been a target of antis? What for?

I don't think that anyone here actually thinks that F!S is swarming with antis

For me, it is anyone who hates a pairing/character enough to tag their hate so that fans of the pairing/character see it. So I don't really think consider people on F!S to be antis because this is sort of a neutral fandom place.

This though. If you feel the need to tag your hate so that everyone can see it in the tags, you're an anti. (And you need to cut that shit out)

If you make a point to seek out fans of the thing you hate and engage with them to make your hater creds known, that's anti behavior. I'm counting stuff like public essays on Why The Thing Is Bad as well.

I agree with the first part of this, but not the second, unless the public space is specifically a fans-of-whatever only one. If it’s just tumblr, or twitter, or whatever, and (on tumblr) appropriately anti-tagged, I think that’s just having an opinion. Posting a “Poptarts suck” essay in the poptarts tag would be an anti move. Posting it in the anti-poptarts tag is fine.

And not just Why The Thing Is Bad, but also Why You're Literally Worse Than Hitler For Liking Said Bad Thing.

Yeah, that's where I start thinking someone's an anti. An essay on why the ship makes no sense and the essayist finds it offensive, OK, but "This is why you must not ship this and everyone who does loves kicking puppies" -- I'm sick of that. (Not that everything is about ships.)

I agree with the first half and disagree with the second half of that (with exceptions).

If I post on my personal journal a civilized commentary of why I think [SODA] is bad, I don't think that's an anti thing to do outside of the very literal interpretation that I am anti-[SODA]. If I go to every person or community who is a fan of [SODA] and tell them why it's bad, and how they're bad people for liking it, THAT'S anti behaviour to me.

Not the second one. I reblog screeds on anti-Reylo ALL THE TIME because I hate it. They don't attack the fans, they attack the ship and the terrible writing that spawned the ship in the first place.

Black and white thinking and use of very powerful social justice concepts and tactics as a means of harassment over things (like shipping or fanart) that do not need anywhere near that amount of force. Hating something is not the same as being an anti, but using that hate as a fuel for harassment is.

For me, there's a moralistic flavor to anti mentality. It's not just "I hate this ship." It's "I hate this ship, and anyone who likes it is supporting/normalizing abuse, pedophilia, etc."

I don't know if it qualifies as anti behavior, but it's also not very classy to spew your hate in tags. I block those people quicklike.

Yes, this.

Same though. Insta-block and I report the posts too, even though I doubt Tumblr will ever do anything.

Yeah, it's not just hating an pairing/whatever and expressing that opinion when the topic comes. It's the sense of going out of your way to kill the fun of the people who do like it. Or at least, you are as obsessive about hating it as fangirls are about liking it.

Antis to me are people who hate a thing and instead of grumbling about it privately or with some friends, actively tag posts complaining about it. (Although I have seen posts that weren't actually tagged with the character/ship tag end up in the search results for said tag, so I think some of this issue is tumblr being garbage and people's personal blog-only rants ending up for all to see).

It reminds me of the badly modded comms on Lj where there would be people who would go and deliberately stir up shit with a shipper group because they wanted to make people mad and get reactions.

And I don't think anyone here is an anti, we've all got out own likes/dislikes, but simply hating or disliking something isn't enough grounds to make an anti tbh. That's just normal. Taking it out on others isn't.

Dedicating your blog or tags to it. Making it the primary thing you talk about. Seemingly being unable to talk about anything you enjoy to balance out the hate. Telling people they're a bad person for enjoying something. Actively seeking out people who enjoy the thing to be cruel to them.

Edited 2018-04-03 23:51 (UTC)

My definition: When you have a sideblog/sockpuppet for the purpose of stalking, harassing, and "calling out" people who ship a thing. You can't have anti's on f!s because there's no way to stalk individual users who ship it, and case doesn't put up with people following logged-in users with suicide bait or death threats.

So to answer the question, while I'm a NOTP on most things and have outspoken opinions about fandom's current trend to try to force things into "canon," creators be damned, I'm not an anti. It would be too much work reading and writing about things I dislike.

Edited 2018-04-04 00:39 (UTC)

I'd certainly consider the third one the Anti.

I also distinguish between "I hate this thing and think it's stupid" and "any one who likes the thing is stupid."

A fan who dislikes something says "I do not like this thing, so I will blacklist it and make an effort to avoid it and tell other people to tag it for me, I will respectfully join conversations about the thing to give my opinion, and I will talk about disliking it to my fandom friends without tagging it."

An anti says "I do not like this thing, so I will go into the tag to tell people they shouldn't like it, I will tag my posts saying I dislike it and I will send messages to people who like it saying they shouldn't like it."

Basically, if you don't like something and you talk about it without tagging it then fine. If you go to spaces/people that like that thing and talk unprompted about how you dislike it and try to get other people to stop liking it, you're an anti.

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