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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-04-19 06:39 pm

[ SECRET POST #4124 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4124 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Digimon]


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[Black Lightning]


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(Rahul Kohli who plays Dr. Ravi Chakrabarti from iZombie)


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[Ruby Tandoh from The Great British Bake Off series 4]


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[A Wrinkle in Time]


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(Anonymous) 2018-04-20 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I definitely see where you're coming from, it's all kinds of tricky and complicated. It's a really hard line to draw. It is hard to tease out what's internalized homophobia and what isn't, and there are people where that's certainly what's going on. You're not wrong about that.

I guess I just feel like the best thing that we can do for people in that situation who are actually in denial is to be as positive and accepting and all that as we can. At the end of the day, they have to come to their identity themselves; you can't do the work for them. I think that this understanding of identity, where it's fluid and not rigorous, is a better, more real understanding in general, and I think it's probably better to just adopt it for that reason, especially over the long term.

And then the other thing is, I feel like... I'm not sure that you can actually limit the conversation to just talking about women who fantasize about women who identify as straight. And I'm really, really, really uncomfortable about the argument as it would apply to people on the other side of the spectrum - to say, for instance, that a woman who is sometimes attracted to men must identify as bisexual and not gay. I understand that's not what you're saying, but I personally feel like the same logic applies equally to the two situations and so I'm very uncomfortable with using that logic at all.

(Anonymous) 2018-04-20 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't intend to do the work for anyone. I just also don't intend to help them deny who they are, and don't think that it is a good or healthy thing to enable people to deny who they are.

My comment specified women who fantasize about women because that is what the comment thread is about.

The logic doesn't apply to the other side, because there's societal pressure to fantasize about or be attracted to the opposite sex, whereas there is societal pressure to NOT fantasize about/be attracted to the same sex.