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[ SECRET POST #566 ]

⌈ Secret Post #566 ⌋

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Um, I didn't get the impression that her family was all that close... she argued with her siblings and didn't get along with them from what I saw. It might have been due to the cramped space they shared. So not all large families are close-knit like you assume.

Also, three kids is not a large family, don't delude yourself.

Someone sounds vindictive. Seriously, someone takes a shot at your OTP (at least Daiken makes sense, Daisuke actually tried to help Ken) and you act like they just attacked your mother or something.

Feminism is big in Japan now? WUT?

Because apparently one mention of it being her OTP means she's arguing her point for the sake of defending said OTP.

She insulted someone who was a Miyako fan under the assumption that Daiken was her OTP... maybe the poster truly thought Miyako and Ken didn't belong together?

Psssst.... I never mentioned Daisuke/Ken in my post. YOU made an assumption. All I said was that maybe the OP's OTP probably didn't happen. Doesn't mean that it has to be Daiken. For all you know, the OP's OTP is Kenkeru, or Daikari, or Mikari.

Don't put words in my posts, thank you.

Edited 2008-07-24 23:06 (UTC)

I should have also added: the poster COMPLIMENTED Miyako. How's that for reading comprehension!

That was more of a *backhanded* compliment, if you ask me. Because the OP assumed that just because Miyako was shown doing more traditionally feminine stuff, she *completely* gave up any other dreams.

Assuming that any housewife MUST have sold her dreams and personality by taking care of a household is, IMHO, *anti-feminist*. Because a big point of feminism is that a woman can do *whatever* she pleases, and *that* includes performing tasks that are either traditionally "feminine" or "masculine" without having people bitching at her for her choice.

The reason I assumed that was because all Miyako is shown or said to do in the epilogue is take care of the kids. No mention of hobbies, anything awesome she might be doing in/from/around the home - just taking care of the kids. And like I said, if there's kids then somebody had better be taking good care of them; but there was no mention of Miyako doing anything she wanted to do besides that. Meanwhile, each and every other Chosen is a parent, most with 2-3 kids, and I'm sure they're all great parents! The epilogue doesn't feel the need to tell us this like it does with Miyako, however. Instead, it comes across as "Look at all the awesome shit EVERYONE'S doing with their lives while also being undoubtedly kickass parents! Of course, being a mom is the only important thing about Miyako."

I don't actually have a thing against housewives. I know it's a lot of work and requires great dedication and devotion. I wouldn't do it personally because I hate housework and I'm none too fond of kids and would therefore be genuinely terrible at it. But yes, I know it's nothing to sneeze at, and absolutely if it's what a woman wants to do, more power to her. I do resent the idea that a woman *must* be a housewife, though, and that's what Miyako's ending felt like to me - more obligatory than chosen. If the epilogue had given itself enough time to go into everyone's future lives, I could have been convinced that Miyako did what she truly wanted to do with her life and found it a fulfilling path. The way it played out, though, and the way I'd read her character before, I wasn't convinced. That's why I'm angry.

(I had forgotten about her large family when I made the secret, thank you for reminding me. And that would have some bearing on her decisions. I'm still unconvinced, just because of the way the story was told.)

Sorry about the "cheap shot" at your OTP. I disagree with the pairing, but I didn't intend offense and I'm sorry for it. (My OTPs were Daiken and Mikari, by the by, so I wasn't exactly expecting them to actually happen. ;P)

Ugh, I knew I should have spent more time wording the secret. I try to be a good feminist and inform my feminism from non-batshit sources (I hate misandry as much as misogyny, and I don't think women who don't go out in combat boots are traitors to the gender), so I'm annoyed I managed to come across as that sort of awful feminist. >_

Thing is, NO ONE had any mention of any other hobbies outside of their career's in the epilogue. So, we don't know if they have any or not. They most likely do (I mean, really, who doesn't?). And, considering Miyako, it stands to reason that she's keeping her hobby about computers fairly alive while at home. It wouldn't be that difficult (once baby is asleep, anyway).

And being a mom DOES = most important thing about Miyako. Being a mom = most important thing about anyone woman who has children. Once you have children, you're a mom first, and everything else comes after it. Same thing with fathers, though a lot of people still don't get that part of the idea through their thick skulls.

I don't think the epilogue gave us the impression that Miyako must be a housewife (what?). It just said that she was home with the children. Also, housewives in Japan tend to basically have the power in their household. So, you can very easily see it as the writers saying, "Guess who runs shit up in here? NOT THE ONE WITH THE PANTS ON." Which, considering the couple, actually makes sense (I love my OTP, but I'll never deny who probably "tops" in it.).

And I can see what you were trying to say, now that you've explained yourself more thoroughly. I still can't say I agree with the line of thinking, but it does make more sense to me now.

I deanonned elsewhere in comments, so I'm gonna go ahead and own my argument here.

That's true, the epilogue didn't take enough time to really go into anyone's hobbies - honestly I think it was just a bad storytelling move all around, those five minutes could have been material for a new series, practically, so it's fairly shoddy work to just throw them in like that. However, it does go into everyone else's interests, through their careers. Presumably, Sora discovered a love of fashion design, in addition to being a mom. Mimi likes show biz and cooking, in addition to being a mom. Hikari finds fulfillment in teaching other children, in addition to being a mom. Same with the boys, since they're all fathers.

As someone else said, later on in comments, it's always a choice to show what you show - so why was Miyako shown in a nearly stereotypical image of motherhood when she is not at all the only parent, or only mom, when they could have shown her, say... holding the baby while teaching her older children how to use the computer? That would have made it just as clear she was a dedicated stay-at-home mom, without making her treatment lopsided as compared to the other girls'. And while I still probably would have rolled my eyes at it, just because the way I read her character (and I may have been projecting, it's a possibility) she hadn't struck me as a character who would have wanted that... I can bet I wouldn't be angry about it still. Because then, ending!Miyako would have read to me both as Miyako The Character I've Loved For The Past 50 Episodes, and Miyako The Stay At Home Mom. They're not necessarily mutually exclusive, however much I didn't see that in Miyako; my anger comes from the fact that, the way it was presented, one seemed to have supplanted the other.

Definitely when you're a mother, the kids come first, but being a mother shouldn't seem to replace all your other interests. Because you're still a woman with autonomy and interests and desires they don't necessarily have anything to do with your kids, though the kids are your highest priority. "Most important thing" shouldn't mean "ONLY important thing".

(... and oh my goodness yes Miyako would top Ken entirely. entirely.)

.... annnnd you're not the person who started this thread, and I posted anon so I can't delete my idiocy.

I AM GOOD AT REPLYING!

Ahahahaha, don't worry. :)

Hahaha! I'm sorry. You're just so funny, because you're coming from left field on this.

People can argue with their siblings, and still be close. And there were also scenes where she talked to them just fine, and they did nothing more than affectionately tease her. And one of the driving points at the end of the series for Miyako was that while she might've been jealous of them from time to time, she loved her siblings very much.

And three kids is a rather decent sized family, particularly in Japan. Deluding, what?

EDIT: HAHA. I actually forgot to mention that Miyako comes from a family of FOUR kids. Again, what show were you watching?

Vindictive over my OTP? Quite frankly, um, NO. That wasn't the point of my post, at all. Nor did I mention feminism in Japan. What were you reading? It certainly wasn't what I wrote. My post was pointing out the flaws in the OP's twisted feminist ideal of how being a housewife somehow strips Miyako of her kickass personality, when that's TOTALLY LUDICROUS. Because being a housewife does not make you less smart, strong, brave, outspoken, or anything else. It does not erase who you are, nor is it an insult to a woman's value.

To not comprehend this, and to basically bitchslap housewives in general is what the OP was doing. And that was what my issue was.

Edited 2008-07-25 14:30 (UTC)

Um, yeah. Because arguing siblings are nothing new. It's easy to assume they're close is because when Miyako was feeling down, her siblings tried to make her feel better and gave her advice. That usually says something.

Won't even begin on the pairing bashing. Nothing ever comes from that.

I'm sorry, did you just imply that Japanese women are not feminists?

Have you got any sources on this or did you just sort of assume that t3h azn wimmen r oppressed and happy to be that way?

Seriously, what the fuck? There are feminists everywhere and you don't need to be a self-professed one to embody its spirit. Feminism does seem reasonably big in Japan anyway - plenty of young women over there rejecting traditional gender roles that bind them.

Feminism does seem reasonably big in Japan anyway

Having studied this as a thesis as well as lived and worked in Japan myself, I can tell you that your impressions are incorrect.

plenty of young women over there rejecting traditional gender roles that bind them

In a very backhanded, socially acceptable way, and then not very many, no ;3

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