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[(Anonymous)]

There's a buttload of different stuff here so this is going to be long and disjointed so, sorry I guess.

It's difficult to find empirical data about voter preferences on a state-by-state level that also breaks down by race *and* income, so I don't have the empirical grounds to say. Obviously, in most of the South, white voters did support Trump by significant amounts across all income levels. I think there's a significant likelihood that white voters in the South followed the same demographic patterns as white voters in the rest of the country, but sure, I can't conclude that as a fact. So that's the empirical side.

With regards to the moral and political stuff - on one level, the question of who supports specific "icky" political beliefs is a question of fact. Like, people either do or don't support things. Empirically, working-class white people are not especially to blame for this, and putting the blame on them is wrong, and makes it much more difficult to understand how those policies actually come into existence. So that's on one level.

On another level, you have the question of whether we should call certain political beliefs "icky" at all, or make moral judgments about political beliefs. And you seem to be very opposed to this idea. Which, honestly, confuses me. I do think that some political beliefs are morally wrong. I do think that some political beliefs are icky. It seems fairly intuitive to me and I'm not really sure why you disagree. Political beliefs are often moral beliefs. And government policies have real, meaningful impacts on the lives of people. So it's a little bit bewildering to me why you can't make moral judgments about those things. And definitely, when you get to things like racism - I very strongly do think that racism is immoral. If that's wrong or unfair, please explain to me why, because I don't see it.

Now, obviously, not everything is as clear-cut as racism, and you shouldn't assume that everything is black and white, there's a lot of complexity. And no human person is entirely reducible to their political beliefs or even their political action. And believing that someone is morally faulty doesn't mean that you necessarily have to ignore their humanity. So I'm not saying any of that. But, yeah, I do think that some political beliefs are morally wrong. I'm curious what part of that you disagree with.

I really don't know where you're coming from. As far as I can tell, it's mostly that political leanings are entirely amoral and it's wrong to make moral judgments about people based on political actions? But I'm also kind of confused about why you brought up "icky political beliefs" in the first place.

So, again, sorry for the long post, but I'm trying to be as clear as possible.