[ SECRET POST #4147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4147 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Humphrey Bogart in The Maltese Falcon, 1941]


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03.
[Teen Wolf]


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04.
[The Three Investigators]


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05.
[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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06.
[Brooklyn Nine-Nine]


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07.
[Silver Bullet]









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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

tbh, I think the show lost a lot without O'Brien and Hoechlin. The three of them worked really, really well off each other, and their characters balanced. Especially losing the rest of the cast so fast--Allison was gone, Isaac was gone, Kira was gone. All Scott had left was Lydia and god knows the writers didn't know what to do with her.

The reason the first three seasons were so good was because they hired actors who clearly put a lot of work into their characters and had good chemistry with each other. The last three were terrible, with actors who clearly didn't really care. And I was getting really tired of not being able to tell any of the new male characters apart because Davis was very obviously hiring boys who were his type, which was very, very gross. I literally spent the entire gap between 5A and B thinking that Theo had taken Donovan, not Josh into his pack because they look so freaking similar. (Also, thematically, having Donovan instead of Josh made more sense thematically because everyone in Theo's pack had a connection to someone in Scott's pack, instead of 3 connections and a random guy).

[osidiano]

I do think the old cast worked really well together, and we lost out on some interesting storylines and character developments when folks left (like when Jackson left after we had some obvious setup to go into his adoption backstory, and the frankly criminal underuse of Boyd despite Derek apparently setting him up to be his second-in-command). I felt really cheated by the "we told all the story we could tell with Kira" line that we got, and super annoyed that we had her learning how to be a better kitsune from Native American skinwalkers instead of, like, literally anyone with any kind of Japanese connection (if we're gonna tap the Native angle, why not for Scott? Melissa is at least played by someone Native, and we already introduced some of the Southern/Central American lore with the previous season's shenanigans). Don't even get me started on how fumbly the writers got with Malia (the pacing just seemed so off that season?), Lydia, and Parrish. We made up all that stuff about banshees whenever it was convenient to the story, and then somehow managed to never go anywhere interesting with our Hellhounds. :\

I feel like we pushed the True Alpha storyline too early, given how poorly Scott handles the pack with the Dread Doctors (who I maintain should have had more links to a Pentex-like organization and less links to Nazis): if you're going to make your protag the one-true-leader-in-every-100-years-who-doesn't-need-to-kill-for-his-Alpha-powers, maybe set him up to lead better before you make the pack splinter and break apart under pressure in Season 5? Season 4 was both short and confusing (I still don't understand why Peter chooses to work with Kate for any period of time), and didn't lend itself well to the Dread Doctor/chimera leadup, imo.

[(Anonymous)]

I got the feeling Davis was very thorough in setting up plot lines and hints in the early seasons, and when actors kept leaving he and the other writers just said 'screw it, do whatever.' And it really showed. Especially when he started recycling plots for other people (you will never not convince me the secret!Hale plotline for Malia wasn't originally meant for Jackson).

I also got the feeling the deterioration of Scott's character was a combination of Posey getting more creative control and writers having no idea how to write a complex noble character. They said "he's the true Alpha" and then Scott just ... became an Alpha with momentary acknowledged stumbles while glossing over his bigger, more obvious stumbles and having 'good' characters pledge loyalty with no clear motivations on either side. Why would Deucalion be loyal instead of being like "I owe you one favor then never call me again" or "yeah no, still want to kill you." And why would Scott, who repeatedly said they had to save the chimeras in Theo's pack because they were innocents swept up then have zero problem with Deucalion goading Theo into killing them? They had to keep saying, "He's the true Alpha! He's great!" instead of saying it because they literally didn't know how to. And they never explored *Scott's* trauma around the Nogitsune (which would have made Scott soooo much less of a hypocrite after the Donovan thing, which wasn't even murder to begin with, despite how everyone treated it). They only brought it in at the series finale, and even THAT didn't make sense! Thematically, having Scott's greatest fear being blind and Stiles' greatest fear being the Nogitsune again would have been ten times better, because they both would have had to face their fears to win the day.

[osidiano]

Yeah, it definitely felt like there was better setup in the earlier seasons (and I completely agree on the secret!Hale plot that Malia ended up with!). I also wondered if some of the threads that never got pulled (the possible connection between Braeden and Boyd, for example) were abandoned because they couldn’t get actors to come back/stay on long enough to film them.

Honestly, I can’t figure out why they didn’t Scooby-Doo the shit out of the show’s formula once they decided that Scott’s Big Defining Thing for being a noble Alpha would be to not kill anyone. We kept going back to the “we’re gonna fight our way out!” Tactic, instead of having him find better alternatives with the help of his super genius banshee and detective spark/emissary-in-training (though I was a big fan of him having warrior women in his pack: Allison, Kira, and Malia all fit the bill) (I also wanted infinitely more mentor!Deaton time *grabby hands*). But I guess they wanted to film lots of fight scenes in dim lighting, or something. *shrugs* I do think that the series would have been greatly improved by spending more time with Scott’s “darkness in his heart” post-season 3a, or with his Nogitsune trauma, OR some post-Berserker angst that would have linked SO WELL with the fear he had at the beginning of 3b about not being able to control his rage/violent werewolf instincts. Then again, I’m also WICKED ANNOYED that Scott never got a big full Alpha shift the way that Peter had, and we only ever saw it as a hallucinated shadow (show me his Crinos form, Davis! Stop leaving him locked in Glabro!!). Scott’s greatest fear being blind was the dumbest thing; we have all this early buildup from seasons 1-4 about him being worried that he’ll give in to his baser instincts, lose his humanity, and hurt people he cares about, why on earth wouldn’t we use that?? Is it because we wasted our special FX budgets on the Beast of Gevaudan instead of giving Scott an uncontrollable, rage monster Alpha shift???