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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-05-14 07:17 pm

[ SECRET POST #4149 ]


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[personal profile] philstar22 2018-05-15 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmmm, maybe. I still think he thinks of her as a daughter in the typical sense too. The stone was specifically only able to be taken if someone gave up the one they loved most. I don't think that could be a selfish love. I read it as having to give up something/someone they genuinely loved. So what I got from that scene was that yes, he was a crappy, abusive father as well as a horrible person and evil, and yet he still did love her.

(Anonymous) 2018-05-15 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
I definitely think he did, but I've also been thinking about what that means. Even bad people have people they love, but because those people ARE bad, that love becomes corrupted. Thanos being an abusive father, I fully believe he loved Gamora as much as he CAN love someone, but that doesn't mean it's a pure love and a good force to him or anyone, in fact it was probably his way of rationalizing pummelling her into shape - burnishing away her weaknesses so she could be the best (aka, just like him)

SO that being the case, "I'm hurting her BECAUSE I love her" - is that real love? For him, sure, it's definitely the best he got. But would we say it is?
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[personal profile] philstar22 2018-05-15 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not sure. I think his love was ultimately corrupted and abusive. But I think he could have had moments of selflessness, moments of actual love. And I kind of feel like he'd have to, to get the stone? I don't think the stone was asking for love from any point of view. I think it required genuine love.

(Anonymous) 2018-05-15 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Same anon (and i really liked this discussion, btw)

What we know for sure is that the soul stone demanded the death of the person you would genuinely mourn and miss. That leaves enough room for debate, which i also like!

We can see it from the other side, too - one of the most interesting and real-feeling moments in the movie to me was when Gamora killed the fake Thanos, and immediately burst into tears. Was there some real sadness or real mourning, was it the overwhelmingness of getting the biggest wish she had for most of her life, was it an expression of JUST HOW MUCH she truly hated him bubbling out in the only way it could? This was the biggest emotional expression we've seen from Gamora in all three of her movies. There is complexity here!