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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-05-15 07:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #4150 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4150 ⌋

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Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

(Anonymous) 2018-05-16 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
It's mostly just depressing to me, because like... yes, it is stupid. But I also feel like so much of it is an inevitable consequence of a bunch of big structural shitty things in society so I don't feel like I can blame them so much, you know.
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Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[personal profile] morieris 2018-05-16 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
This. It's another part of voting with your dollar to say "Yes, we want to see more non white men!"

I get that it's not real activism, but acting as if media doesn't influence people...I can't be as dismissive of it as the OP.

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

(Anonymous) 2018-05-16 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

That's not exactly what I was getting at, although I do actually agree with you - representation and voting-with-your-dollar does matter, on some level, and you shouldn't dismiss it out of hand.

But what I was trying to get at was, like... neither of those things is actually the same as activism (as you point out), and there are definitely people who do treat it like activism. Which is pointless and misguided, but I also get why it happens, because so much of the way that our society and our culture operates is to limit our ideas of what is possible. Like, our society absolutely operates in such a way as to convey the impression that getting representation in blockbuster movies, and black and women movie stars getting paid as much as white male movie stars, and things like that, is the sum total of real change. Change like that, where you maintain the entire existing cultural system as far as possible, is something that our society is just wayyyyy more comfortable with - even though, ultimately, it doesn't do that much for the percentage of people who aren't movie stars.

So, like, I get it, but it depresses me.
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Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

[personal profile] morieris 2018-05-16 01:52 am (UTC)(link)
With the rest of your explanation, yeah, I agree. Especially when it comes to the equal-pay argument.

People should be paid equally, but arguing if someone deserves 6$m or 10$m for three month's work when people in America have shit wages...right idea, wrong area.

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

(Anonymous) 2018-05-16 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
But why support big media at all? It makes more sense to me to support minority creators directly and give them more of voice instead of supporting the structures that be. Even Black Panther's staff was mostly non-black, just not the most visible roles (the actors and the director.)

Re: Secrets you're too lazy to make

(Anonymous) 2018-05-16 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
No ethical consumption under capitalism or whatever