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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-07-27 04:56 pm

[ SECRET POST #569 ]


⌈ Secret Post #569 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

FS Layout Contest. Contest entries close August 10th!

Little early today, might be late with edits. Fleshbag exoskeleton is giving out on me.

Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 455 secrets from Secret Submission Post #082.
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[identity profile] black-hayate.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
And then there are secrets with people saying how you should buy all the original dvds or else you aren't a true fan. I bet that doesn't help either.

Re: 101

(Anonymous) 2008-07-28 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
1. Yes, because bootlegs are an inalienable constitutional right. Combine that with the life-threatening withdrawal symptoms from not being entertained for five minutes, and that's more than enough justification to steal anything you want!

But seriously? True fans support the artist. If you're willing to become a thief for a TV show, you don't deserve to enjoy the series alongside honest fans who care about the industry's future.

Re: 101

(Anonymous) 2008-07-28 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
Wow.

I think that there is this strong tie between fandom, and consumer culture. The reason a lot of companies turn a blind eye to the iffy legal status of fanart and fanfics, is because of the money those same fans bring in. There can be a lot of pressure in some fandoms to buy the latest and greatest, be it in order to support those artists, or simply for bragging rights.

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[identity profile] likekind.livejournal.com 2008-07-28 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, there's a lot of grey area here. Sure, there are arseholes who refuse to pay for any dvds because they can get it free on the internet. And I agree, if you have the resources, you should definitely buy the dvds and the merch to support the people who've provived you with such great entertainment.

But there are also people who can't afford to buy all the dvds at once, but buy what they can to support the industry and download the rest. And those fans then go on to tell their friends about this great show, who then go on to buy some or all the dvds and tell other friends. It's this word of mouth that is actually needed by a lot of shows favoured by fandom, because they're often not advertised or reviewed well.

there are countless examples of actors or writers encouraging fans to go out and promote their shows and tell their friends about it, supernatural being a good recent example. and in the anime fandom, it would be naive to assume shows get picked up to be sold to a western market purely through interest spread by legitimate dvd/manga purchases from japan, rather than rapidly spreading easy-to-obtain fansubs/scanlations. good word of mouth is the difference between an unarguable flop and a cult-hit.

So, if you're so concerned with the industry, would you rather one person buys 1 dvd or piece of merch, downloads the rest, and tells their friends about their favourite new show, or would you prefer one person remained completely ignorant of the show, therefore putting no money back into the industry? Considering the way the internet is changing the industry anyway (watching episodes for free on network sites, downloading from itunes, and the possibilities the success of whedon's dr horrible represents), your black and white view of internet piracy morality is not only old-fashioned, but probably more harmful than helpful to the people you claim to support.

Re: 101

[identity profile] black-hayate.livejournal.com 2008-07-29 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I gladly buy the original of whatever I really love, I'm even a freak for collecting original stuff like games, merchandise and dvds, but I really don't see why one should condemn people watching fansubs when it's the only thing they're able to afford. It's not a question of honesty anymore.