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⌈ Secret Post #569 ⌋

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I think we're always going to have to agree to disagree on some of these things. I guess my secret is just because I'm genuinely bothered when I'm told I interpreted the game incorrectly -- sometimes by people who vehemently refuse to believe that Laguna is Squall's father.

I'm not trying to argue you into believing here, to clarify -- I'm just trying to give you some of the reasons I buy into the theory, as well as the reasons I'm sure other people do, so you get where we're coming from. The thing I love most about FF8 is actually how understated everything is. We're never told outright that Laguna is Squall's father, but the information is there. Admittedly, it's pretty much confirmed canon, as opposed to R=U, but I don't see a problem with drawing the parallel. We're never told outright that Irvine isn't actually a SeeD, even, which is a minute detail, but it makes theorizing nuts like me happy, because it gives us breathing room.

And I understand that "you can't disprove it" doesn't mean it's true. Haha, honestly, I do. I'm, again, just trying to give you some of the talking points I know I've been over with the (small) group of friends who (secretly) agree with me on the theory, so you can maybe see that we're not all nutjobs who just like Rinoa being a nut for the sake of Rinoa being a nut.

A lot of the Rinoa=Ultimecia theory buys into things that are only said in canon if you hunt carefully for them. The concept of a sorceress' knight being more than just a metaphor, for example, and the consequences of a sorceress being without one. A friend (the same one who brought up the "feedback" concept) mentioned that she wondered if Adel was so completely inhuman because she didn't have a knight, and I think that's a real possibility. Even the Hyne legend ties into it quite a bit, and that's one that even I am sure I've missed bits and pieces of, even though I have the game practically memorized.

I haven't actually always bought into this theory, either. Not to say you'll start buying into it -- to each his own! -- but I used to find the concept quite ridiculous and stupid, and then I played the game again, and read a few theories that got my brain stirring ...

A lot of the concept also works on the idea of time loops, which are something so theoretical that it's hard to nail down even from person to person. Ultimecia would go through with it because in "her" world, she didn't exist, or she wasn't defeated ... but when the time loop is created, her past self and future self come together, and that's where it gets messy. Time Compression on the whole makes almost no sense unless you have somewhere approaching a doctorate in physics (which, may I note, I don't), and time on the whole is something that no one really understands, even though it's brought up as a concept in many kinds of media -- I'm replaying the Prince of Persia PS2 games right now, for instance, and there is, of course, Chrono Trigger.

SO, basically, minus the tl;dr: I think we're never going to agree on this one, and I was aware of that when I wrote my first couple of comments. I just wanted to give you some insight to where people like me do stand, so we seem maybe a little less crazy /o/

I'll skip the tl;dr this time and just chat. :D Argh, people who deny that Laguna is Squall's father tend to confuse me. That one's there in spades. You'd have to do more ignoring than extrapolating to avoid that plot point. Thanks for laying your points out so nicely, though. A lot of the people I'd talked to before who bought into R=U basically said they believed it because the game sucked without it, and that always bothered me. You seem to genuinely love the game with or without it. That sort of person, that's who I want to discuss this stuff with. :) I'm with you on the confusion of playing with time, though I must say, I've known a lot of people with doctorates in Physics - they're not all they're cracked up to be. XD

Side note - Chrono Trigger sure is fantastic, yeah? <3

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