[ SECRET POST #4159 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4159 ⌋

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[Safe, Michael C. Hall]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I hate when people try to use this as a determination of quality. It doesn't really tell me anything about if I'd like the fic or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk, I think it is kind of a determination for quality. Just not in the way they think.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you think that

[(Anonymous)]

(they're implying that an author who tags this is not possessed of such skill and subtlety as to be worth reading)

[(Anonymous)]

I understood what they were implying, I was asking them why

[(Anonymous)]

new anon here, but generally if someone's bad at tagging, they're bad at writing too

same idea as avoiding fics where writers say things like, "I suck at summaries lol!!!"

[(Anonymous)]

It really depends on the specific way in which someone is bad at tagging, imo

[(Anonymous)]

There's no real reason, just a lot of pushback because some people think the Bechdel test is a little too social justicey and they assume anyone who uses it as a tag is automatically using it as a measure of quality. The dislike of the test is somewhat coloring people's conclusions in this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't speak for Anon that replied to me implying that the tag is an indicator of poor quality, but that's not the root of my problem with it.

It's simply not an appropriate tool for the job in many cases. It's a low bar minimum for noting a trend with movies with ensemble casts. With fiction, it's an awkward clumsy tool at best, and at worst, it's useless for a entire categories of fic (Femslash, 1st person male POV, short fic with a het pairing, etc).

And people DO seem to be misusing it as an indicator of virtue and equating this with quality, while in reality it tells me nothing except that at some point, two women say words at each other.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that the test is imperfect. But it does measure something.

That said - what I don't really get how that translates into the presumption that someone who uses the tag is a bad writer.

[(Anonymous)]

Because the people who use this as a tag are usually pretentious as hell and that normally reflects in their writing,

[(Anonymous)]

Or because they're more concerned with appearing to care about female characters than actually caring about them, and they think that forcing in a scene where the Ladies talk about how Awesome they are makes them God's gift to feminism and fans of female characters.