[ SECRET POST #4162 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4162 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand. Did her father strike you as an effective leader and strategist? He seemed like more of a good natured bumbler to me. Even if he were, are you arguing that his daughter was educated to be governor? That doesn't seem likely. How similar is colonial politics to piracy? Likewise, you seem to suggest that being really frustrated is one of the important skills of piracy. Can you elaborate on that?

A historical precedent is fascinating, but it's not really good proof that any well born young woman therefore has the necessary skills to be a pirate king.

[(Anonymous)]

Chill with the condescension, maybe. I'm saying that the daughter of an official, even a bumbling one, is likely to be exposed to more education and conversation regarding leadership in general than, say, a blacksmith. While not a direct translation in skillset, many famous pirate captains came from similar backgrounds or had even less opportunity to glean know-how. And this is, of course, not including the fact that Elizabeth is shown in canon to have sought out information about pirates for most of her life.

And yes, being really fucking frustrated with the state of the world and one's place in it was in fact one of the reasons many people became pirates. Others ended up in the life out of sheer chance and decided to do their best with it--including, again, several famous pirates and of course Elizabeth. Pirates in general weren't exactly specifically trained or born to be pirates, and many of them weren't even sailors to start with. Shocking, I know.

There's no proof that a crew of skeleton men under a dire curse could have sailed so freely throughout the Caribbean Sea, either, but it seems like only a female wish-fulfillment fantasy is too unrealistic to handle in this franchise, huh?

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. But I think arguing that being interested in and exposed to things that kinda sorta applies to piracy means that Elizabeth was well qualified to be pirate king is extremely shaky at best.

Note: I never said Will was better equipped to be a pirate. I don't think anyone's said that, but people keep bringing it up as a straw man, I guess.

There's no proof that a crew of skeleton men under a dire curse could have sailed so freely throughout the Caribbean Sea, either, but it seems like only a female wish-fulfillment fantasy is too unrealistic to handle in this franchise, huh?

Well, no. I don't see anyone objecting to Elizabeth because she's female (though you and others are trying very hard to paint it that way) but because there's no particular reason to think she has the solid qualifications for the leadership role she takes on. The movie could have done a better job of selling that, but they didn't. And ironically, they use an actual female pirate in the background but never go into her fascinating and much more credible story.

[(Anonymous)]

SA, one more thing:

<>And yes, being really fucking frustrated with the state of the world and one's place in it was in fact one of the reasons many people became pirates.

Uh huh. But we weren't talking about motivation, we were talking about qualifications. By your reasoning 90% of tumblr should be literal pirates right now. Are they?

[(Anonymous)]

And my point is there are literally not qualifications whatsoever necessary to become a pirate. You just have to want to say "fuck it" to society enough. To become a captain, you have to be in the right place at the right time with the right stuff that the particular crew is looking for, whether that be experience or personality or apparently fulfilling a prophecy. They're pirates. There's no rules.

[(Anonymous)]

Cheng-Shih was a character in At World's End and was one of, if not THE, most successful and fearsome pirate captains in history. Could you tell me what skills a prostitute has that make her fit to be a pirate king?

[(Anonymous)]

She was a prostitute who married a successful pirate from a long line of successful pirates and historical records suggest she was an active participant, not just a passive observer. I mention this since it's been suggested that Elizabeth gains pirate leadership expertise by being exposed to people in power. Cheng-Shih had tons of firsthand, hands on experience - not of observing leaders in a drawing room or at the dinner table, but actual, real piracy. Upon her husband's death, she quickly consolidated power through her own efforts. Nobody hands her a piece of eight and bestows a leadership role upon her because they think she's a sea goddess.

Frankly, I think it's a shame she didn't have a more prominent role in the movie, because as a real historical figure AND someone who actually earned their leadership role, she'd have been a lot more interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

What makes you think Elizabeth was a passive observer during her time spent with pirates? From the very start, she's anything but passive. The leadership role WAS bestowed on her by chance, but she THEN stood up and made the position her own.