[ SECRET POST #4164 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4164 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I’m one of the anons bitching about Watson’s influence on the costume and tbh I had no problem with Belle being an inventor. I’ve read/watched so many iterations of BatB that I was happy to not have her only be a bookworm (which Disney absolutely stole from Robin McKinley’s Beauty, because while original Beauty was a well-read young lady, she wasn’t a bluestocking or a scholar.)

And yeah of course Ella’s gown was meant to give her an hourglass shape. But, hmm. I guess, put me in a heavy-duty corset and I can be hourglass shaped too. What I could never be is that skinny, and I think promoting “fairy tale princess=impossibly perfect with an 18” waist” was kind of regressive and creepy. I think if Lily James had been laced into a normal corset rather than tightlaced it wouldn’t have been made into such a big deal.

Lily James’ comments were not about not being allowed to eat, but rather, unable, as her corset was laced so tightly she had no room for food. I think it was something like a smoothie or milkshake that had a straw so it minimized the chance of spillage.

Where Watson went wrong, I guess, was her unthinking assumption that “corsets=torture device tools of the patriarchy” rather than, you know, underwear so your boobs don’t jounce around, your back doesn’t strain, and your clothes lay smoothly. She was obviously wearing support garments of some kind under her dress; there was no reason not to wear corded stays rather than a padded bra, except that Watson’s feminist scholarship was no such thing. Corsets=PATRIARCHY is Hollywood shorthand.

And on top of everything else, the dress looked cheap except when in motion. Oh well, the 2014 French film and even some of Once Upon a Time’s Belle costumes looked good.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT but most of the impact of the Cinderella dress is visual trickery without needing (much) modification of the body underneath? It's pulling the same techniques that were used recurrently in the 19th century to get a tiny-seeming waist -- very fitted waist-portion of the bodice, banded by very wide shoulders and skirt, so that proportionately the waist looks even smaller. The corset gives additional illusion, even under minimal compression, by redistributing flesh (torsos are usually wider than they are deep, and the corset rounds them into a circle instead, so the view from the front is narrower without losing anything).

That's not to say I doubt that she felt she couldn't eat/couldn't eat much. Usual advice while wearing a corset for extended periods of time is to eat small portions and avoid certain things like carbonation. But I've found wearing Spanx or control-top tights are just as likely (or more likely, in some situations) to Do Things as a corset.

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Yeeeah...when I've worn a (corset-y) bodice for renaissance festivals (and I don't go out of my way to Lace Super Tightly So I Can't Breathe) I find myself without much of an appetite for most of the day. (I snack but I don't feel the urge to have a 'meal')

Then I unlace at the end of the day and suddenly realize I'm hungry, lol.

[(Anonymous)]

Anon bitching about never being that skinny in a corset—I’ve never had trouble eating in one, but the one I wear most often is an 1800s-ish spoon busk corset that kind of curves out over my (substantial, I’m naturally a sort of fat apple shape) lower belly.