[ SECRET POST #4164 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4164 ⌋

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Comments

[thewakokid]

Ugh, I'm trying to get out of this pointless fucking argument, but you keep bringing up this shit in a totally disingenuous way.

1: No, Greyson may not have been in love with quinn, but he was in a - let's just presume a non-romantic - relationship with quinn that turned romantic. He also invested and supported her development financial. NEITHER of these things were disclosed. Glossing over that part? But really that's not the key thing. You keep bringing it back to grayson and the rest... actually no, you just keep bringing it back to grayson, presumably because you think that is your strongest position, but you keep ignoring the other points. Greyson was the spark, the catalyst, the thing that SHOULD have been a footnote represented by articles in other gaming publication "Journalists fail to be open about connection to developer" What it was was literally NONE of that. Journalists dropped any interest in covering the possibility of a journalist doing somthing shitty, in favour of covering the shitty practices of their entire industry and reframe it about Zone Quinns sex life.

Don't get me wrong, there was a lot to report about the shit Quinn was getting. I don't deny a fair number of people didn't care about the journalist side and just wanted to attack quinn. But that is not the entirety of the thing. That is not even the majority of the thing. Your belief that because it started with the quinn "scandal" then that all it ever was is a direct result of an entire media industry PAINTING it as nothing more than the quinn "scandal". It was not. See the far from exhaustive list provided above relating to things we were fucked off about.

And no, you did not see what gamergate actually did. You saw an awful lot of shitty behaviour, some of which by people in gamergate true, and the media told you "This is all gamergate is" and you believe it. I mean for fuck sake, when there are articles out there saying gamergate is responsible for Trump, do you just nod your head and say "Yeah, that seems right" or do you think, "Huh, that sounds like a smear job?"

"Gamers did a bad thing, and since they did a bad thing the were probably part of a bad movement like gamergate, so really gamergate is responsible for this." seems to be your logic behind attributing the Battlefield debacle with gamergate.

And again being disingenuous when you re-framing "Gamer are dead" (an attack on an identity which I can accuratly paraphrase as "We in the gaming press don't need to cater to gamers because they are all cellar dwelling misogynist white straight cis males") as "Gaming is dying" a comment on the state of the industry and people engagement in it.

"GG has not advanced discussion about ethics in games journalism, or games production." You know, it really has. Only you're choosing not to be a part of that conversation. Again see all the shitty moves up thread that have been brought to wider public knowledge because of gamergate. I only know about some of them BECAUSE of gamergate.

Also a fair number of direct insults to me in that thread as well. Snowflake, useful idiot, I might be wrong because I was tired last night, but I don't think I've been insulting you before this point, have I?

ALSO also, which is it? am I a useful idiot, or am I deliberately misleading you? I'm not saying Gamergate had no shitbags in it. I am not saying they are not part of gamergate. I am saying they are not the entirity of gamergte, and I am saying that people within gamergate tried to keep those shitbags from doing too much damage. Funny how the media never seemed to report on the fact that it was gamergater that uncovered several of Sarkeesian and Wu's harrassers.