[ SECRET POST #4168 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4168 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[South Park]



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02.
(The Scarlet Pimpernel 1999)


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03.
[Daniel Mallory Ortberg]


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04.
[Twin Peaks]


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05.
[Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe, by Fannie Flagg]


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06.
[Lip Sync Battle: Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Channing Tatum, Tom Holland]


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07.
[Ariana Grande and Selena Gomez]












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Comments

[fscom]

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[Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistle Stop Cafe, by Fannie Flagg]

[(Anonymous)]

I feel the same way, OP.

[numb3r_5ev3n]

Same. I fucking love this book, even if some aspects of the plot haven't aged well.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't stand caveats and disclaimers. It all smacks of phoniness and keeping up appearances to me. I don't use them when I talk about things I like, which has actually become a good way to weed out "friends" who would clutter my dash with their social justice stuff anyway.

Believe it or not, OP, there are people out there capable of talking about things without that tiresome layer of moralizing. Mention this book sometime without the caveats, and you might find a few of those folks.

[feotakahari]

Not OP, but at the very least, I would be quite surprised if someone recommended a book to me and didn’t mention that it was racist.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be more surprised to read a book written in the 80s and largely set in the American South in the 1940s and '50s that wasn't at least a little racist. Maybe people should exercise a little common sense instead of expecting their friends to continually warn them that life exists beyond their bubble.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a different anon jumping in. I'd totally offer some caveat to what I recommend. Some stories are not what people need right then and there. It's easy to drop a book that some other person recommends if it turns out to have some negative stuff in there or not be as immediately cool and amazing as was recommended.

There can be a caveat for inoffensive stuff. E.g. "Deadly Premonitions is a game with shitty tank controls, and just plain moving around is an exercise in frustration, but please stick with it because if you do you're going to discover an incredible plot."

There can be a caveat for offensive/triggering stuff. E.g. "Hey

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I'm a different anon jumping in. I'd totally offer some caveat to what I recommend. Some stories are not what people need right then and there. It's easy to drop a book that some other person recommends if it turns out to have some negative stuff in there or not be as immediately cool and amazing as was recommended.

There can be a caveat for inoffensive stuff. E.g. "Deadly Premonitions is a game with shitty tank controls, and just plain moving around is an exercise in frustration, but please stick with it because if you do you're going to discover an incredible plot."

There can be a caveat for offensive/triggering stuff. E.g. "Hey <insert story with mentions of racism, suicide, bullying, etc., here> is a good story. It's has a bit of some difficult stuff here, but god is it so good."

There can even be a caveat for your own self. E.g. "I know I'm recommending this controversial thing to you, but I trust you to not take it the wrong way, and I'm not recommending it to you for the bad stuff in there. No, I don't have a kink for incest, and that's not why I'm recommending you this anime with incest in it. Oh, and there's a lot of lolis too." I mean I'd still side-eye the example case here, but if they didn't warn me then I'd assume that they 100% have a kink for incest and lolis. Here, I give them the benefit of a doubt.

Second example of the above: "I know <so-and-so author> went off the deep end and became a violent misogynist who later joined both the KKK and neonazis, but this one book of his before that was pretty good? What? No I only like this one book of theirs because it was before they became a piece of shit."

A caveat is to me a plea for the reader to keep reading something that they would otherwise not bother with.

[osidiano]

I don't know... I really hate getting recs with caveats, especially if the person knows me well enough to know I don't like reading that kind of stuff. Like, I don't watch shows with on-screen rapes. Does this mean I'll miss out on the cool stuff in Game of Thrones? Yes, but there's an awful lot of good TV I now have time for. I also don't read books with graphic miscarriages, really traumatic childbirth scenes, or dead babies on page, and even though that means there are some good dramas I'll never read, I don't sweat it. There's still 500+ other books on my Goodreads To Read list that I can work on (and the list is always growing!). Getting recs where someone says "I know you don't like watching/reading X, BUT" is just kind of obnoxious. I'm not pushing my electric pow-wow or electro-swing music on friends who don't even like electronica, even with a witty caveat.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't stand caveats and disclaimers. It all smacks of phoniness and keeping up appearances to me.

Uh....

why?

[(Anonymous)]

Because people feel obligated to do it. They do it to prove how socially conscious they are. They do it to avoid getting into trouble with the morality police. It's phony af.

[(Anonymous)]

How do you know that people only do it out of obligation or for signalling reasons? It seems like a pretty reasonable and useful and considerate thing to mention if you're recommending a book. It's the same as you might mention any other issue that a book might have, to me - no different from saying that a book is on the slow side, or has some annoying characters, or whatever else.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I guess people could be genuine about it.

[feotakahari]

“This show doesn’t really get good until episode 27.”

“Yeah, the animation just looks like that. You’ll get used to it.”

“BTW, this show is pretty freaking racist.”

[(Anonymous)]

You're the reason companies have to put "Warning, may contain nuts!" on jars of peanut butter aren't you?

[mrs_don_draper]

I don't think it needs anything other than a "Hey, this book is about a period in time and in a location where racism was acceptable, but I think it has merits in a number of ways. Just a heads up." As someone who read the book and loved the movie, I don't think it needs anything beyond that. I think most adults today know that Georgia in the first half of the 1900s was super racist.

[(Anonymous)]

Alabama, not Georgia.

But yeah, super racist.

[mrs_don_draper]

Darn! Thank you! Tbh, everything south of the Mason-Dixon is the same in terms of being super racist though.

[(Anonymous)]

I think most adults today know that Georgia in the first half of the 1900s was super racist.

If this thread is anything to go by, then that's a bad assumption on your part.

Granted, I'm with you and if I was going to "warn" for anything in that book it would be the domestic violence and/or cannibalism, but apparently you're history's greatest monster if you assume your friends have the barest inkling of America's history.

[(Anonymous)]

I know that the South is super racist, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that a book set in that location and time is going to deal with those themes.

[(Anonymous)]

No one accused you of being smart.

[(Anonymous)]

Mmmm... except it's more complicated than that. It's not just set in an era of racism, there are certain aspects of the portrayal that might not sit well with modern readers. For example, Flagg waaaaay downplays the KKK. It was okay for a character like Grady to be in the KKK, march in the KKK, but oh, he's not really racist because he doesn't mistreat the black people he knows personally.

It also arguably romanticizes an extremely problematic time period when you notice that most of the black characters are totally fine with being treated like second class citizens and it's not a bad thing because at least a few white people are good to them.

[(Anonymous)]

"Oh MY Precious FEELS!11!!!1!"

I am so sick of people being so fucking stupid that they need to be warned there might be racism in a book that takes place during the 40s and 50s South. And I am just as sick of the idiots who feel they have to warn everyone that a book is racist.

Unless you failed out of high school or are from some other planet where racism doesn't exist then you don't need it explained to you.

[(Anonymous)]

Sockpuppet detected. Go back up and respond to the previous threads you've abandoned. They're waiting for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Just expressing my opinion. I know that is hard for you to imagine going against the hive mind. Gotta keep that SJW badge, right?

[(Anonymous)]

new anon just here to let you know that you're being like, critically embarrassing right now