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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-07-30 04:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #572 ]


⌈ Secret Post #572 ⌋

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ext_81845: penelope, my art/character (cocky)

[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like to be long-winded, but yeah I was trying to boil it down to that. I don't see how she could fall in love with someone who attempted to force themselves on her against her will.

Other than the fact that I've never given a damn about any of Alan Moore's female characters. I still liked the Watchmen, even beyond just being a historical piece of comic writing, but I don't like how people tend to gloss over stuff like this in Moore's works when they become films and therefore gain more popularity.

[identity profile] wllw.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read it in a while, but I never got that she fell in love with him. I remember her having an affair, which is not the same thing. She never did forgive him. That, and people can be very messed up in real life, too. I don't get women who come back to an abusive husband, but that happens as well.

*shrug* As I said, I'm not a fan of that particular twist, but I don't really get people blowing it out of proportion either.

And I do mostly agree about Moore's female characters. Not that that's anything strange in the comic book industry. Unfortunately.

(Anonymous) 2008-07-31 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
I don't like to be long-winded, but yeah I was trying to boil it down to that.

No offense, but how the hell did you get all that to boil down to "she gets raped and likes it"? A simple "she has an affair with the guy who tried to rape her" would have worked just as well, and would have been factually correct.
ext_81845: penelope, my art/character (drunk)

[identity profile] childings.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Again, having an affair with a man who tried to rape you is fucked up and something I doubt most women would want to do after they were sexually assaulted like that. LOL REALISM

From the end of the comic where she kisses his photo or whatever, it's apparent that she liked the guy enough to keep his photo around.

[identity profile] mechanicaljewel.livejournal.com 2008-07-31 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
Umm, did you not actually read Watchmen? Most everyone in that book is fucked up. Sally mentions at least three times that she's in therapy. And that whole interview she did, she acknowledges how screwed up her whole history with him is. Besides, you say you doubt most women would do that, so you're acknowledging that a few would; Sally happens to be one of them.

Aside from all that, the fact that Blake is Laurie's father is kind of integral to the whole outcome of the story. Jon wouldn't leave Mars until he realized that Laurie's very existence was so mathematically improbable, due in part to her 'mother loving a man she had every reason to hate', and thus made her and every other human being a "thermodynamic miracle".

And anyway, if you want to see a guy with real woman problems, look at Rorschach, not Alan Moore.

(Anonymous) 2008-07-31 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Again, having an affair with a man who tried to rape you is fucked up and something I doubt most women would want to do after they were sexually assaulted like that. LOL REALISM

Oh wow. You clearly have little experience with the real world if you don't think that fucked up stuff like this never happens. Ever hear of the term "battered wife"? LOL REALISM

But anyway, you seem to have completely missed my original point, which was that what happens in Watchmen is different from getting rape and liking it, and portraying it as such is trivializing both the story and the issue of rape itself.