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⌈ Secret Post #4173 ⌋

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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

It irritates me that people object to Gal Godot’s casting as Wonder Woman on the basis of looks (“Too pretty!” “Too skinny!”) but then praise Charlize Theron as Furiosa. Let’s be real here: Theron is a gorgeous and slender actress. They cast a gorgeous and skinny woman as Furiosa. I know the characters look and are presented very differently, but Diana really is not presented as or treated like eye-candy in the movie and I object to the idea that Furiosa is the ideal heroine or the only way heroines should be, especially since this judgment is based only on looks. Diana has an amazing degree of conviction, compassion, and sense of purpose (in an altruistic way) compared to Furiosa (it’s not Furiosa’s fault - she lives in a post-apocalyptic hell-hole). I love both characters so much and I am so glad they are different because that’s want I want: amazing heroines that are not all carbon copies of each other.

Re: Transcript by OP

[(Anonymous)]

I liked both characters. Though as to why Diana stirred up more discussion than Furiosa, the reason is obvious enough: Wonder Woman is a comic book character and comic book fans are a very passionate, obsessive bunch. In fairness, while it is irritating every time they're all Chicken Little over every new comic book movie, I somewhat understand why. You ever look over the history of superhero adaptations? It's a long, depressing slog. Comic book fans had to endure a lot, before people in the movie biz were like, "Y'know on the surface, these characters are kind of serious, but at the same time, there is a reason people love and care about them. Maybe we should respect them and the source material."

[(Anonymous)]

What a weird fucking thing to compare.

Also, people don't care that she is "too pretty". They complain about the fact she is supposed to be this super strong hero and has no muscles.

Furiosa is not supposed to be. Though I expect Theron was more muscular than Gadot.

[(Anonymous)]

She did have them, though

[ninety6tears]

Yes, within the conventionally attractive limits. I get that Gadot trained and trained and her body's just like that, but prominently muscular women are really underrepresented because many guys think it looks too manly, lbr.

[(Anonymous)]

Mehhhhhhh.

I agree to the extent that "pretty" isn't at all a good reason to dislike Wonder Woman. But I think it's totally valid to prefer Furiosa as an action movie heroine.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO, it’s more about sexualization than prettiness. But whatever. This secret is a little weird.

[greghousesgf]

I had no objection to Gal Gadot's looks, I thought she made a very striking-looking Wonder Woman.

[nightscale]

I've not seen anyone comparing the two so I can't share the ire at this particular case, but I understand your peeved sentiment because I dislike it when people pit female characters against one another because they're different archetypes.

The whole point about greater representation of women for me is that we get more than the one female character archetype a generation, multiple types of ladies, good, bad, morally ambiguous!

But personally I enjoyed both characters, I think Furiosa worked really well as a more 'realistic' type hero, the world she's set in is grimy and dank and she fits that world perfectly.

Whereas Diana is in the more glitzy and visually stunning world of superheroes, and she fits the mold for that too. (Granted I'd have liked WW to have a bit more bulk to her frame, however, it's clear as day to me that GG did gain muscle for it, her frame pre-WW was different, but it's probably a mixture of her naturally small body-type working against her, and the fact that female actresses really aren't encouraged to bulk up the way men are for roles).

[rivia]

I know what you're getting at, but I don't think those two are really comparable? Like if nothing else, the fact that Furiosa is slim but still clearly strong makes sense given the environment. I'd wager the diets for the people living in the MMFR universe help build up lots of muscle tone.

[(Anonymous)]

You act like people bitching about this kind of thing care about that tho

I get OP's point

[(Anonymous)]

It's true that no one bitched that Furiosa wasn't bulky, though. In retrospect, I wonder a little about that. I mean, all the Mad Max films have these gigundo, muscular warrior types with tats and mohawks, and here's twiggy Furiosa...she's boss, don't get me wrong, but she is a thin little thing. And of course, Tom Hardy is no slouch.

And then they cast Theron again in Atomic Blonde and she weighed maybe 120?

Just saying: it would be nice to have one lead movie heroine, just one, who is muscular af.

[ninety6tears]

Furiosa isn't supposed to be playing a character previously visualuzed as a strikingly tall, very buff woman...she just is Furiosa.

It's fine to generally object to the lack of diverse bodies among the main cast, but I've seen that acknowledged in the fandom.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, by that argument, Nick Fury was also previously white, but people adore that decision.

Wonder Woman is now not played by someone American or British, not conventionally white, and by GOD did that lady do what she could to bulk up. But none of that matters because it's not enough.

[ninety6tears]

Yeah, I'm suuure Gal Gadot got the role for being refreshingly foreign rather than just being hot under someone's narrow standards which are contrary to the WW image in the context of her being more buff than the model shape most actresses are expected to have; Nick Fury's image as a white guy is relatively disposable by comparison because that's represented as heck fuck. I mean sorry, no, it's not gonna be enough for everyone as long as body diversity is desired and people are allowed to not like things even if there's something good about them.

[(Anonymous)]

Let's be 100% real: no one fucking cares about black Fury because he's a man.

Meanwhile, having a Jewish woman portray someone who is strong and not a victim or a brat or, you know, the other millions of stereotypes is something that's hella strong to me. Like, JESUS. Say what you will, but you're making damn excuses at this point.

[(Anonymous)]

To someone not obsessed with US racial purity bullshit, she looks pretty damn white and very, very conventionally pretty.
And black Fury was a thing in the comics ten years before the movies.

[(Anonymous)]

He's still traditionally white in older comics, but people don't bitch about that because he's a damn man, I guarantee it.

[(Anonymous)]

Say what you want, but I sobbed during No Man’s Land because she was Jewish. We’re only allowed to be brats, neurotic, Holocaust victims or inscrutable Mossad types in media. To see a visibly Jewish woman have the full weight of movie heroism on her side was incredibly overwhelming.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with most of your secret!

Re: the issues with WW casting-- we all know what the comic looked like, what live action and later cartoons look like, and while I will admit it would have been cool to see a more muscular build (see the other Amazons) as WW, I'm not surprised nor am I complaining. I think the actress did a great job too.

[(Anonymous)]

The self-dellusion is strong with this secret.

[thewakokid]

Well, just for me Wonder Woman has an established canon behind her. Her design should reflect the wonder woman / amazon lore. Furiosa has no such limitations. They could have went in any direction. Yeah, they chose to go slim, but there's no canon reason not to.

Wonder woman is an amazon. there is a certain look to the character people expect. Sure Wondy isn't a wall of solid muscle, but some muscle definition is expected. I don't care that she was beautiful, wonder woman is beautiful. I care that she was not physically imposing. There are women who would be both gogdess beautiful AND amazonian imposing. we only got half of that.

[(Anonymous)]

For me it's less about physical attractiveness (because obviously they're both beautiful) and more that Furiosa was allowed to get covered in dirt and blood and could rage and scream and not have flawless eyeliner and glittery eyeshadow and heels in ber battle scenes.

[(Anonymous)]

Not eye candy??? She's wearing a strapless bathing suit for gawds sake. You can't do ANYTHING in a strapless bathing suit in real life. Not without your boobs popping out at least.