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⌈ Secret Post #4207 ⌋

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Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[(Anonymous)]

I'm in the same boat as you, and I'm a vegetarian. In this case, the shelter was deceitful and lied about it - and OP would have worked to find other options if the shelter no longer wanted to keep him. OP's anger and sadness is completely justified.

I also though do feel a little uncomfortable saying some animals are okay to eat and others aren't. I'm vegetarian but not necessarily ethically opposed to eating meat, but I think we tend to be a little disconnected from the meat we eat. As you said, many livestock farmers love their animals and treat them extremely well, and still butcher them. Is that wrong? I don't think so. I'd rather a pig be treated like a pet and slaughtered, than raised in a factory farm and basically tortured and unloved all its life. As long as the animal is killed humanely, of course. Then again, it's also hard to deny that there's a horrible sense of betrayal in slaughtering an animal that has been raised to trust and befriend humans. On the other hand, not many would disagree that it's ethical to put a suffering cat or dog "to sleep", either.

It's a hard issue, I guess - that is, killing pets. But at any rate, OP's trust was clearly betrayed, and she lost an animal she really cared about as a result, so this is something different.

Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[(Anonymous)]

OP here—while I’m ethically opposed to killing animals, I’m not gonna try to make that call for other people, especially when, for example, the availability of cheap produce in the US is basically predicated on treating farmworkers like shit. And it’s way more practical and less wasteful to run animals on marginal land (especially in drought-prone areas) and slaughter those animals for food than it is to try and grow peaches or peas on it. And a ton of animals die so we can have tooth-mark free fruit. And so on.

I think it’s better for farmers to treat their livestock well than to confine them to battery cages and treat them like meat-machines, but I also think farmers should maybe avoid, say, naming each individual animal and teaching them to come when they call and letting them sleep in their beds—not that I would let chickens on the furniture (although somewhere I have a picture of my sixteen year old hen and twelve year old dog on the couch together) but in my mind, there’s a dividing line between treating animals well, and keeping them as pets. And I have a hard time distinguishing between species that are food and species that are pets, since people keep lots of species (cats, dogs, guinea pigs, rabbits, iguanas) as both.

My local shelter is no-kill, but the adoption fee for roosters is $5.00 becauss otherwise no one takes them and I was told they mostly go for food or cock-fighting. The only other farm sanctuary within a hundred miles never returned multiple calls and emails. I wish the city would just lift the rooster ban.

Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[(Anonymous)]

Why is the ban even in place? Is crowing that big of an issue?

My thing is, at what point does good treatment go into treating it like a pet territory? For instance, tending flocks of sheep or goats (or any herd animal) would, I imagine be near impossible unless you gave the animals some level of training to follow commands. And on smaller farms, where you’re talking someone whose only got a single cow/goat/chicken, I feel like that too would be impossible to treat like a pet. And what about cases where the animal is nearing the end of its natural lifespan anyway? If you have a cow that’s too old to give milk, do you just let it die and let the meat/leather go to waste. But I don’t know a ton about farming so I could be talking all out of my ass here.

Also I’m morbidly curious about the whole “don’t sell to PoC because they’ll just kill and eat the animal” because wow that is a flavor of racism I never figured at existing. Like is that kind of racism big in the indie farming community?

Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[(Anonymous)]

OP—Crowing was my issue because I have a code-compliance obsessed neighbor and we have a “no loud noise between 10pm and 7am” bylaw, but the rooster ban specifically is ostensibly in place to stop cockfighting.

My parents were farmers for a decade or so, of the back-to-the-land hippie type rather than the 100,000 actes of corn and soybeans or 10,000 head of cattle type. I was a toddler when they packed it in for the city because my premie medical bills topped $150,000.00 and they got $450,000 for their 90+ acres. But my dad still wanted to farm, hence chickens, which I inherited when my parents split.

So my farm info is mostly family stories with research and randomness thrown in. But no one is gonna have only one chicken for long, they need a flock and also if they’re for meat you need enough to breed, and one milch goat is barely subsistence level. Even then, that goat would still need to be bred every year to give milk, and even if you rent a stud goat, that means baby goats. Same for cattle. Most of the males will be castrated and raised for meat, but dairy cattle are scrawny by comparison to beef cattle and might just become veal.

Generally speaking, when an animal stops reliably producing eggs or milk, you’d slaughter and eat them and replace them with young ones. But chickens can live 16+ years and commercial laying hens are killed at 2 and maybe used for pet food, because they’re too sick and scrawny to eat by then. Male chicks of laying breeds typically go into a meat grinder or dumpster while still alive, as soon as they’re sexed, because they’re too scrawny to eat. Even small farms will slaughter unproductive laying hens, although they might live a bit longer and be in good enough shape for stew.

The difference between a pet and livestock is that the end goal of one is companionship and the end goal of the other is food (or possibly fiber.) If you can’t bear to make food out of an animal, congrats on your pet. (Also most livestock I’ve known with names were called things like Hamburger or Drumstick, with the exception of a stud bull called El Dorado.)

Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[meredith44]

Why is the ban even in place? Is crowing that big of an issue?

I have no idea if there is a ban where I live, but someone down the street from me in the city where I live had at least one rooster for a time. And every day at about 6:30am when I walked by that house to work he would be crowing obnoxiously loudly and near constantly. It was annoying just for the short time I could hear him while walking by him. I can only imagine how annoying it would be to live in a house near to the rooster and have to hear him so much. So I could very much understand why there would be a ban on roosters in a city.

Re: Eating animals/rant/idk

[(Anonymous)]

DA- Most people who aren’t familiar with chickens habe no idea how loud a rooster can be. A crow typically reaches 130 decibels, which is roughly equivalent to standing 10 feet away from a jet engine.