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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-08-05 05:10 pm

[ SECRET POST #578 ]


⌈ Secret Post #578 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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104.

(Anonymous) 2008-08-06 11:21 am (UTC)(link)
104. Since no one will see this unoriginal, too-long, very wanky rant on the thirteenth comment page, I'll just say that comments like this always make me so mad. I just can't believe that anyone is still really clueless enough not to see that the majority of slash fiction has NO insight to offer into the real relationships of actual gay men.

At worst, and very often, slash is highly idealized fantasy romance novel/bodice ripper slush that says more about the romantic fantasies of certain women than anything real. Even when it's not that, it is still usually (obviously, there are many exceptions to all of this) about hot young white male straight male celebrities written by straight women who are not making a genuine attempt to present a portrayal of real gay men (many of whom are actually average-looking, even ugly! some are old, or non-white, and they don't spend all day fighting aliens but work normal boring jobs! most have issues of their own like any other human being, and many have relationships that don't last, like everyone else, or where the sex isn't great, instead of scorching hot soulmates 4-eva!).

Incidentally, I'm not saying that slash should be realistic. Or that there's something wrong with slash. If you find it fun for whatever reason, that's fine. It's good for girls to have their own version of guy-oriented "girl-on-girl actionz!!" porn movies. But when an individual starts to confuse fantasy with reality, all the grey matter starts sliding out of his or her ears. It's not real. The "slash is more equal really, like gay male relationships in real life in real life" idea is equally stupid, partially because so much slash plays up the inequality of relationships (sometimes to a ridiculous degree), but also because so many other forms of societal inequality have existed since civilization began (class, race, age, health, etc.) that it's silly to believe real gay relationships don't sometimes experience problems with this (and why not two girls, if equality is the issue?).

Really, though, is anyone on Earth not aware of all of this? Fiction (fantasy, fun) vs. real life? Are there ACTUALLY girls that think, "this is really what it's like for gay men?" That gay men are magical unicorns who have vastly higher, more spiritual, sparkly rainbow relationships than everyone else? Unbelievable. I guess Twilight is a spot-on slice of hetero life, then.

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(Anonymous) 2008-08-06 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
It wasn't my intention to make anyone mad, but thank you for commenting.

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(Anonymous) 2008-08-06 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I am sorry, actually. I was really just ranting about a general trend, and not this one particular secret. I really hope that I didn't hurt your feelings. My apologies if I did. I actually did assume that no one would see this rant, and just needed to vent something that had been bugging me for a long time.

Now that it is out of my system, it's more that...I really just hope that no one gets unrealistic ideas about gay or straight relationships from reading stories online. It is probably rare, but I have talked to a (again rare) few people who were "disappointed" with real-life gay people when they didn't live up their fantasy ideal and/or who had negative feelings about themselves, their bodies, and their relationships and were always comparing them to these fantasies. I doubt reading lots of slash really causes this, but maybe their is some kind of link, I'm not sure. Mostly I am just sad. But again, I'm very sorry for the outburst.

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[identity profile] akai_senshi.livejournal.com 2008-08-06 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Man. I have too. Straight fangirls at cons get really upset once they start talking to me and find out I'm a callous, snarky bastard with typical male interests...just like all the straight guys they've ever dated.

104. OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-21 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, don't worry about it! :) No harm done! I already knew it's dumb to idolize (gay) men, but I just wanted to know if anyone else thought the same way.
I like to vent once in a while too, just like I love to open my mouth to say something stupid (proven in another comment of mine). And I don't mean that your vent was stupid, no way. It's good that there's people like you, who inform newbies like me. :D And I really hope you read this, despite being late.