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this isn't something i'm at all eloquent at speaking about, but: there's a few things.

one being that while yes, our religious texts are inspired by God, the actual writing and translating was largely done by men in a patriarchal society and it is very much colored by that. we worship God, not words in a book, and it's important to keep things in context. some of the specific instructions quoted by religious people who support gender inequality i.e. women submitting to their husbands should really be taken as descriptive of the typical family structure at the time, not prescriptive of how all people ought to live (also looking at the broader context of the passage, husbands are also encouraged to submit to their wives, very subversive teaching at the time).

also, to return to "translated by men" I don't believe God is strictly male in the human sense - male pronouns are used yes but feminine imagery is also used to describe His/Their relationship with humanity (off the top of my head God is compared to a mother hen, as well as feminine nouns often being used for the Holy Spirit) and humans of all genders are created in God's image, not just men, so i think calling God "explicitly male" is oversimplifying a bit.

it's similar to the alternative readings of scripture which are traditionally used to prohibit homosexuality, considering the possibility that they may not apply to the modern concept of a healthy homosexual relationship. orthodox? no. but viable and textually supported? i think so. and personally, while I still question going against some of my religion's traditional interpretations (though i am in good company these days) I have felt much more spiritually alive and closer to God since I've made my peace with these things, so I take that as a good sign. I suppose to a non-religious person that sounds much less interesting and more wishy-washy than theological arguments but it's something I take a lot of comfort in.

anyway, that's my perspective as a progressive feminist Christian, I can't speak for how Muslim feminists or Jewish feminists interpret things but I'd love to hear those perspectives as well.

It frustrates me to no end that the "Orthodox" view talks about reading the Bible contextually on some issues but not on others. Even some Feminist Christians who are still homophobic. And I want to point out that it is hypocritical to take the passages about women and "roles" and whatever in the cultural context and not applying them the same today but then not taking those passages that supposedly talk about homosexuality in context and realizing that the only "gay" thing that existed back then was rape (mainly older man/young boys) and temple prostitution (which would be a problem on the "worshipping other gods" thing rather than on the man and man thing).

Explicitly male regarding God may have gone too far but most certainly "mostly described as male" and "defaulted to male/Father even in non-English languages that do not need to gender as a default" would be accurate. "Our Father" is pretty specific to me, considering plenty of matriarchal religions have gone with "Mother ____" and Christian religion today still goes with Father all over the place. Even when given the choice and ability not to; I don't mean only reciting the Lord's Prayer but in freeform prayer, it's always God, our Father. There may be people who pray to God, our non-gendered-Creator or Holy Spirit, Our Mother/Sister but I mean, I've never heard of it. I don't think it's arguable that God, if not explicitly male, is gendered by religion in general

I don't find that fact to be unfeminist in itself either. If your God just so happens to be male then that could conceivably be random chance thing, right.

But if "translated by men" is the issue, why did God choose only men to speak through? Could a feminist God not have found women to write? Could a feminist God not have empowered a woman to command enough respect that her speeches and preaching and writing were preserved and help equalize the record? Considering an all powerful deity could have chosen anyone, can we judge its choices, in that out of all possible things, it chose men over and over to record itself and bestow religious power and enlightenment upon? Even the female voices we do hear are translated through men, could that not have been different?

For me personally, it's difficult to imagine God as a feminist (by which I mean at the very least, gender-equality-promoting) figure or being or... potential entity I'm not sure what to even classify it as.

I appreciate the response though, and I agree I'd love to hear other people's take on it, agreeing OR disagreeing

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