[ SECRET POST #4217 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4217 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not. How on earth is it objectionable.

[(Anonymous)]

To support the idea of "cis" you have to agree that brains have a gender, which isn't true.

[(Anonymous)]

How... does that follow. At all.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
I can see the logic in what the AYRT is saying? Cis is a chemistry term that means that two things align on the same side, while trans means that the two are on opposite sides and thus don't align. So if you are saying that someone is cis or trans, that means that there is an "expected" way for gender to line up, and if it does you are cis, and if it doesn't you are trans. Whereas I think this person would advocate for a more fluid gender description rather than a binary? I can't say for sure, as I'm just going off of their posts here, but it's what makes sense to me.

[(Anonymous)]

So if you are saying that someone is cis or trans, that means that there is an "expected" way for gender to line up, and if it does you are cis, and if it doesn't you are trans.

Surely it's referring to biological/assigned-at-birth sex? Cis people have a gender expression that matches it, and trans people don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Hush, you. This isn't about logic. It's about suddenly deciding that the community's commonly accepted vocabulary is offensive and bullshitting a justification for it after the fact.

[(Anonymous)]

"Gender expression" is a loaded term. The way you express your gender has nothing to do with your gender. Me being a stereotypical "tomboy" as a kid didn't make me any less a girl than the one who wore pink princess dresses.

[(Anonymous)]

yeahhhhhh there we go!!!!

"not wearing pink princess dresses" isn't really what people have in mind when they talk about gender expression or gender identity, and that's all I'm going to say about that

[(Anonymous)]

Like the other person said, trans supposes the person has a male/female brain born in a female/male body. Cis assumes male/female brain born in male/female body. However, the brain does not have a gender. I don't accept the term cis as I would have to agree that the brain has a gender.

[(Anonymous)]

I would talk about "gender identity" or "gender expression", as opposed to "gendered brain".

Now, obviously, like. The relationship between those things is complex and poorly understood, and in some philosophical sense, any kind of identity or self-understanding is ultimately a product of the brain. But there's a degree of complexity in that relationship. To reduce the claim to saying that a brain is biologically female or male is not a fair way to understand it.

"Gender identity" is one facet of a broader sense of being and self-understanding that is constructed from the biological material in ways that we don't even come close to understanding yet. We can't trace the biological basis for any particular aspect of that identity - so, yes, we can't really say that a brain is male or female - but we can listen to what people tell us about their own identities.

Anyway, that's how I see it.

[(Anonymous)]

No, to 'support' the idea of cis, you have to support the idea that bodies have a sex which is true. Jesus Christ, we are biological creatures, and biologically we have TWO sexes because as a species we practice biologic sexual reproduction. Making some sort of verbal allowance for those whose --for whatever reason--don't identify with their biologic sex--is only reasonable and enlightened as a species. Sitting there claiming that humanity as a whole isn't split into two sexes is--this is basic science and biology! Look, fight about gender all you want, but humanity is a two-sex sexually reproducing species.