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⌈ Secret Post #4217 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Waged labour works under government regulations about safety. These do not exist in prostitution. There is a huge difference between working a regular job out of financial need and working in prostitution out of financial need.

[(Anonymous)]

Waged labour works under government regulations about safety. These do not exist in prostitution

Right, absolutely, so let's get some safety regulations for prostitution into place.

[(Anonymous)]

Impossible. You can't fully protect against STDs. Prostitution would never pass the current health and safety laws.

[(Anonymous)]

Is it actually true that you would need to be able to fully protect against STDs to be able to pass the current health and safety laws?

[(Anonymous)]

Leaving aside the fact that "current health and safety law" is a thing that varies widely from place to place, and exists in areas where prostitution is, in fact, legalized, no it isn't. Health and safety regs are about minimizing risk and ensuring there's a minimum level of accountability for workplace hazards and precautions, because it's recognized by pretty much everyone with two functional brain cells to rub together that eliminating risk entirely is impossible.

But it's a popular talking point for people who are anti-sex worker because STIs are scary and they can twist things to imply that anyone who's pro-regulation is a callous monster who wants to expose those poor, poor sex workers to AIDS. Never mind that said assholes are perfectly happy with those same sex workers being at risk of being jailed, raped by police, raped by clients, raped by pimps, controlled via addiction, violence, or financial threat, all without any legal recourse - oh and also still being potentially exposed to STIs.

[(Anonymous)]

And you're not using rape as a scare word here? You do realise a lot of anti-sex work promotes the Nordic Model that gets people out of prostitution (and away from rape).

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you can't fully protect against contagious diseases for medical staff either, but that's still an industry.

[sabotabby]

You've clearly never worked in the gig economy.

But anyway that's why sex work needs to be decriminalized and sex workers need to be unionized.

[(Anonymous)]

And you've clearly never worked in prostitution if you are this naive...

[(Anonymous)]

Have you actually worked in prostitution?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I have.

[(Anonymous)]

That's really interesting! Could you talk at all about how that's influenced your views on prostitution?

[(Anonymous)]

It's exploitative and encourages men to view women as something that can be bought and sold (where I worked prostitution is legal). Men do not respect women that they pay for sex with. They want women to genuinely enjoy (real orgasm) them being rough and paying her no attention (sometimes no foreplay, just straight in). It just encourages men to treat women badly in general, similarly to porn.

I don't believe prostitution should ever be legal. I support The Nordic Model which focuses on creating exit strategies for those in prostitution.

[(Anonymous)]

What about people who choose to work as sex workers (or would do so if it were legal where they lived)?

[(Anonymous)]

They are on of the following:

- don't understand what prostitution entails.
- don't have any other possible job opportunities.
- have sexual or relationship trauma.

Nearly everyone I knew who worked in prostitution had a bad relationship with their parents or had been in an abusive relationship.

[(Anonymous)]

- don't understand what prostitution entails.

So then they can stop working in prostitution once they figure out they don't like it. (I acknowledge that this is not always true for currently-existing prostitution, and I object to any compulsion or coercion for anyone to be a prostitute in the strongest possible terms).

- don't have any other possible job opportunities.

But like... yes, I agree that economic necessity does drive some people to prostitution, and that's bad, but it's also a feature of capitalism that operates across the board. It's not really unique to prostitution. If people are choosing it because it's the best option available to them...

And, also, like, people do still need money. If you don't want them to be prostitutes, are you going to pay them?

- have sexual or relationship trauma./i>

Well, but victims of trauma are still mature human beings with the ability to make decisions, and I'm slightly uncomfortable with the idea of outlawing their profession "for their own good".

[(Anonymous)]

You are "slightly uncomfortable" with the idea of not being able to stick your dick into an abuse victim for twenty bucks? Digging the bar into the ground now, are we?

[(Anonymous)]

Are you also uncomfortable with the idea of taking knives away from people who self-harm "for their own good"?

[(Anonymous)]

It's incredible how many people will defend a woman's right to her own body when it comes to abortion, but they clam right the hell up when you start talking about hooking. All of a sudden, she can't make those decisions for herself. She needs YOU to protect her.

[(Anonymous)]

God forbid someone who actually was a prostitute talk about the industry in a negative way....

[(Anonymous)]

lol sure jan

[sabotabby]

I haven't but a lot of folks I know have and continue to do so. None of them favour criminalizing sex work. I respect your experience in this but your conclusions are very different than those drawn by either the sex workers I know or the organizations here that advocate for sex workers.

[(Anonymous)]

You do realise they are all making money from sex work? Very few people will bite the hand that feeds them. A sex worker who actively speaks against the industry will not make as much money and will be excluded by their peers.

[sabotabby]

The same can be said for any form of waged labour.

I'm not saying that sex work is awesome or the industry is non-exploitative. I'm saying that every industry exploits the bodies and minds of its workers and usually both.