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⌈ Secret Post #4237 ⌋

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09. [WARNING for discussion of sexual abuse accusations]

[Chris Hardwick, Talking Dead]













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[fscom]

09. [WARNING for discussion of sexual abuse accusations]
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[Chris Hardwick, Talking Dead]

[(Anonymous)]

Bleehhhhhhhh

I mean, I don't fucking know, I guess it's up to all of us to make our own goddamn decisions as mature free-thinking adults. But I'm really skeptical of the idea that a corporate investigation is necessarily dispositive, and I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of YOU MUST GIVE US THE HARD EVIDENCE OR YOU'RE A LIAR.

I don't know. That's all I'm really going to say about that, I think.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

A big same here from here.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of unpersoning somebody based on allegations without something substantive to support them

i dunno either

[(Anonymous)]

Well, but is "unpersoning" a fair characterization of what's happening here? How ought we actually treat someone in situations like this, what do we owe to people?

I don't know the answers to those questions for sure, but I do kind of think that "unpersoning" is a rather harsh descriptor. Hardwick isn't exactly being sent to the gulag here. At most, it seems to me, the harm that would be done to him is that he would lose his visibility as a celebrity; that he would lose some of his jobs and career prospects, although probably not all; and that he would lose some friends in his personal life.

And, like. Being a celebrity - I don't think that's something that we really owe to anyone. And with regards to his career prospects as a comedian, possibly it is unfair. At the same time, is it any more unfair or more cruel than the kinds of bargains that our society imposes on people constantly? If Chris Hardwick has to go and get a job at a marketing agency, or whatever, is he worse off than someone who hustles his ass off trying to break into standup comedy clubs for years and just never gets a break in the first place? Has he been mistreated, has he been the victim of an injustice, in that scenario? What do we as a society *actually owe* to Chris Hardwick?

These are difficult questions and I'm not saying that I have all the answers but, yeah, I don't know if unpersoning is the right word.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

And I don't have any good answers to a lot of these questions either, but where are we drawing the line on someone losing their job over potentially false allegations (not saying these are or are not, just a general question).

Like, it's okay that he loses job prospects and friends, but is it less okay if someone blue collar does? Personally I don't think someone being a celebrity should mean that their job and livelihood and personal lives get ripped away from them on unfounded accusations just because they 'might' have the finances to be fine in the aftermath of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Chris Hardwick has never been unpersoned, but Chloe Dykstra sure has. Wonder why? /s Maybe wondering why someone who comes forward with this kind of thing gets lambasted and told to "PROVE IT!" would be more productive.

[(Anonymous)]

nerdist - the group he cofounded to promote his content - obliterated all mention of him in the wake of the controversy

no evidence was presented, nothing was proven or demonstrated, and yet his name was deleted and attacked - based on nothing at all

and yeah, i think if somebody is going to make those sorts of claims - claims which have real consequences even if never proven (chris hardwick is going to be an alleged abuser for the rest of his life), or for that matter even if proven to be false - they should have at least something to support them. and i don't think that should have to be a particularly bold statement to make

[(Anonymous)]

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/6af4c0b9-5d4d-48c2-b4eb-cbb1e6ada10b

[(Anonymous)]

Those are some big teeth and foreheads

[(Anonymous)]

gorgeously big

[(Anonymous)]

the investigation was about liability not whether or not he's did it and just because he only has one victim doesn't mean he's free and clear but go off I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

Or maybe we could not destroy someone's career because their ex is a mentally ill drama queen.

[(Anonymous)]

First of all, fuck you for being shitty about mental illness. Second of all, fuck you for saying that someone making allegations about abuse is doing so because they're a "drama queen". Third of all, why does Chris Hardwick particularly deserve a career, more so than anyone else who could perform the role of "talking about the Walking Dead"?

[(Anonymous)]

Mentally ill people don't get sexually harassed?

[feotakahari]

Reminds me of this fuckwit: https://theslot.jezebel.com/lawmaker-accused-of-abuse-working-on-a-bill-to-drug-tes-1828031694

[(Anonymous)]

Wtf at this comment

Misogyny in above comment is repellent

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe women's bodily autonomy is more important than some dude's career? Shocking idea to you, presumably.

also: fuck you.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here, OP. If Chloe had this "substantial evidence," wouldn't she have, I don't know, put it out there already?

The girl has always been somewhat of a train wreck, she used to cause a lot of drama online, so it's hard to take her side when she's always been kind of a shithead in the past. I get that people can change, but I don't think she really has. She just wants her revenge that she didn't become as big of a pseudo-celebrity as Chris has.

[(Anonymous)]

Chloe Dykstra shouldn't have to prove anything to you to be believed. Don't worry, I'm sure he'll still have a career for the rest of his life. Abusers like him always *do*. There will always be people like me to avoid him and his ilk and not patronize a damn thing he does.

[(Anonymous)]

Not taking sides because I literally know neither of these people, how do you know something has happened without proof? I'm not saying lambaste her or throw her in a pyre for bringing accusations forward, but neither should he lose his career or life over accusations that cannot be proved other than a he said/she said discourse.

I mean, if I said that someone murdered someone else, wouldn't I need at least SOMETHING that caused reasonable suspicion (like a body, or a weapon, or threatening letters/calls/texts, a missing person, SOMETHING) before that person is put in prison for life?

[(Anonymous)]

Um, if she's claiming he abused her, then yeah. She does have something to prove. As in, why isn't she pressing charges to spare someone else down the line?! I'm sorry, but if someone had evidence that a person was abusive, you don't just keep it to yourself and let them off scott free.

[osidiano]

lmao damage his career? Isn't he an American? At this point, he's qualified to run for President in 2020!

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. He's got to say a lot worse shit than that to get to Trump's level. I can hardly wait for all these tapes to come out, where he bands the 'n' word around for fun. Mind you, if women can still defend someone who uses the phrase "grab by the pussy", then Trump-loving black people will probably be falling over themselves to defend him. Sorry - totally OT - but it does demonstrate how one's career seems to be totally unruinable these days.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

My worry (assuming Republicans do as bad as predictions in November). Trump publicly self-destructs, possibly in a way that puts people in body bags (Kent State, or a spectacularly stupid military action). Pence walks away looking like the voice of reason in the party.