[ SECRET POST #4244 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4244 ⌋

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[Jane Austen's Emma]


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05. [SPOILERS for The 100]

[Monty Green/Harper McIntyre]


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06. [WARNING for discussion of incest]

[The 100]


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07. [WARNING for discussion of fictional shota/bestiality/rape]























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Comments

[fscom]

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[Jane Austen's Emma]

[(Anonymous)]

I really do love Emma (the book), but to be fair, I'm not sure that had Mr. Knightly been nicer in the way he berated Emma it would have sunk in as well that she had fucked up so badly? I mean, part of the reason I love Emma (the book) is because she's such a terribly flawed person even if her intentions do stem from what she sees as doing the right thing. She's bratty, she's too involved, she can be rude, and worse, she doesn't realize she's all of those things until Knightly takes her down a peg.

Maybe he could have done it in a better way, and maybe it might have made the same difference in her attitude, but I'm not sure.

[philstar22]

Okay, but he lectures her like a parent, not like a love interest. And we never see any sort of reciprocal chance for her to correct him.

[(Anonymous)]

Enh, he'd been her tutor for how long? I would have said he'd lectured her like a teacher and not like a dad.

What was there for her to correct him about? He may have done a bad job berating her, but everything he said to her was stuff she needed to hear.

[(Anonymous)]

Someone could've lectured him for falling in love with a 13 year old girl when he was 28, LOL.

[type_wild]

IIRC (it's been a decade), he told her things he she badly needed to be told.

That said, I very much agree about the father-daughter thing. Extra bonus, I'm not into age gap at all. I remember really enjoying the novel all over, except for how it was Knightley she ended up with.

[rosehiptea]

I had trouble seeing their relationship as a great thing too. I like age gap but he had a very superior attitude towards her. (Emma had an attitude too, but that's another story.)

[(Anonymous)]

Context. He was a peer (important: anyone considered lower in society shouldn't correct a "better") and he had a close association with the family. What she did was the verbal equivalent of hitting someone who couldn't even defend themselves and nobody else could reasonably call her out on it without going against the social conventions. The reason he is so abrupt with her is that she's NOT a child and she should know better. So, really. It's a bit backwards. He's not treating her like a daughter, he's treating her like an equal.

That's my take anyway. I don't even particularly like the book.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, this.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed, plus as I recall, he apologized or made up with her and there was never any indication this was an ongoing abuse type thing. If you can’t call out someone you love when they behave abominably, it’s not a very good relationship, IMO. Any relationship - friends, lovers, whatever - is not necessarily ruined when you have arguments, but more than just one relationship could very well be ruined by silently condoning behavior as bad as hers in this instance.

Age, gender and status are important contexts here. She’s not a child, but she acted like one and deserved to be called out on it. To me, it shows a lack of respect to her and everyone else to let her off the hook.

[(Anonymous)]

This secret just feels like a “modern day” take on a “problematic fave” rather than something that considers the time period, context, and fact that characters and plots need conflict for growth.

[(Anonymous)]

But also, it's OK for someone to dislike something because of values dissonance

Just because something is justified by the time period and context, that doesn't mean that OP has to like it, and that's all they really said - that it squicks them

[(Anonymous)]

Sure - but would it squick them or be opposed to their values and ideas of a good relationship if they were raised at the same time and in the same way as Emma? Hard to say. I would probably react badly myself if a partner yelled at/scolded me like that, but it doesn’t bother me in the book and I don’t think it gives them a squicky father daughter vibe.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that just asking if their opinion is a case of "values dissonance" or not? In response to a post that already mentioned values dissonance.