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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-08-19 04:22 pm

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Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

(Anonymous) 2018-08-20 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't see him as always evil and insane so much as he snapped from the awful thing he did because he doubled down on it so hard. Which can happen. And I felt it was good to show that, just because there's potential to redeem someone, they have to want it and not, you know, convince themselves it was good.
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Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

[personal profile] philstar22 2018-08-20 02:04 am (UTC)(link)
Eh, agree to disagree. I just feel like, if your movie is going to be about redemption, be consistent about it. It felt like they just wanted Maleficent to be the only one who loved Aurora. I think it would have been better for Stephan to realize that Maleficent had saved his daughter.

CW: sexual assault

(Anonymous) 2018-08-20 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't take it as that, either, so I guess this is weird. It doesn't have to be consistent because redemption isn't a consistent thing. And I'm honestly not sure Stefan, in his state, would have cared if Maleficent saved her or not--she was still a "threat" if she got her wings back (nevermind that Stefan didn't even know his daughter to start with). I also didn't think she was the only one who loved her, so much as she was the only one with a sufficiently deep bond i.e. it can't be true love if you just met her that fucking week. It can be a love, but True Love is deep and takes time to grow, like carefully tending a flower.

And again, Stefan had doubled down so hard on justifying what was a gigantic betrayal of trust. He literally gained her trust, won her heart and cut her wings off. Because he wanted the power of the throne of a human kingdom much more than he cared for having the love of a fae, which isn't exactly given or earned easily. Like, shit, if you ask me, as someone who's had a stalker try to coerce her into a relationship and had her trust broken by a guy she thought was cool groping her randomly without permission because "of course guys and girls can't just be friends", him not being redeemed was the better choice.

Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

(Anonymous) 2018-08-20 05:58 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I don’t necessarily think that Stephen convinced himself he’d done a good thing, so much as a necessary one to get what he wanted. It almost felt like he’d convinced himself that guilt was some kind of evil spell in and of itself. And Stephen betrayed perhaps the only person who ever loved him in a viscerally cruel way, not out of fear or cowardice or to save his life, but for a crown. I don’t think he really cared about Aurora or anyone else by the time she was born, just his crown and his paranoid fear.

Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

(Anonymous) 2018-08-20 08:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, pretty much. It's why I'm glad he didn't get redeemed. He did what he did for a crown, for power, for ambition. Not because he was scared or he thought he'd die. He took poison and used it to cut off part of her--while using the love he'd developed between them. He used her for his own ambition and then tossed her aside. That's not something I'm comfortable with redeeming unless there's significant on-screen development.

Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

(Anonymous) 2018-08-20 01:22 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT—yeah, if he’d been redeemed after all that, even by dying, I would’ve been super creeped out unless his redemption arc started basically as soon as he was crowned, which would make him a completely different character, and even then I wouldn’t have been overjoyed.

Re: What is the most disappointing movie you have ever watched?

(Anonymous) 2018-08-21 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. And it does bother me that people say he should have been redeemed. Like, is it wrong I kind of think they're a bit privileged to have never gone through something like that?