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[ SECRET POST #585 ]
⌈ Secret Post #585 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 12 pages, 280 secrets from Secret Submission Post #084.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - take it to comments ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Re: 138
(Anonymous) 2008-08-12 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)And how many Christians out there read His Dark Materials and immediately thought, "I am going to become an atheist!" Has that ever really happened? And yet lots of people have had a hissy fit over this very reason.
Re: 138
I'm sure he wanted to write a story as well, but I think most of what inspired HDM was the desire to be the "anti-Narnia." He got one very big thing wrong, in that case, to me. Narnia never made a secret about what it was--very shortly into LWW, you pick up the Christian theme, and by the end of the book, it's obvious. If you didn't like the Christian theme, well, the story ends there. Whereas Northern Lights just seems like a cool adventure book, and ends where you have to read the next one to find out what happens, and that one's a little bit darker, a little bit moreso...and that ends on a cliffhanger as well, so you have to read the last one, and by that point, it's just straight up THERE IS NO GOD OR AFTERLIFE OR ANYTHING AND THE CHURCH IS EVIL!!!!!!
I find that funny, given that what he dislikes about Narnia:
"I didn't read the 'Narnia' books until I was grown up," Pullman said, "and I could sort of see what he was getting at, and he was getting at the reader in a way I didn't like. The 'Narnia' books are full of serious questions about religion: 'Which God should we worship? Is there a God at all? What happens when we die?' The questions are all there, but I don't like Lewis' answers."
So he went and wrote his own series doing exactly that, but with his answers. Fine, except he's still "getting at the reader" with "serious questions about religion."
Gaiman (my favourite author, raised messily-Jewish and is now goodness-knows-what-if-anything, but at least he treats all manners of faith or lack-thereof with equal respect) once said what he didn't like about the Narnia books was the way they sort of snuck religion into there, but I think that Pullman's way of doing it was much sneakier.
Re: 138
(Anonymous) 2008-08-13 12:33 am (UTC)(link)He doesn't like the Narnia books. That's what the quote says. It doesn't say "Oh, I wrote these books because I wanted to write an alternate version of Narnia but with bashing of Christianity and evilness, k." That's a drawn conclusion. I'd need more evidence than just "I didn't like those Narnia books." And of course his books were going to undermine the basis of Christian beliefs - he's an atheist. His beliefs aren't compatitble with Christianity or religion.
So the whole story wasn't seated in his beliefs until the last book? Huh. Odd. I've heard differently?
Maybe it's just a matter of perception?
I just don't get why it's so bad for him to have his beliefs (which include that religion is no good) in a book. Why is that so horrible and detestable (especially if it was saved until the last book, according to you?) but a book with unapologetic Christian themes is okay? It's still beliefs, either way.