[ SECRET POST #585 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #585 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

Re: 168

[robyn-the-red.livejournal.com]

Woah, are you me? I pretty much agree with everything you've said (except I think the musical is pretty dumb too, but that's just me.)

What really bugged me about the book is that the author seems to be thinking, "Hey, I'll take a charming, whimsical story for children and turn it into a nightmarish dystopian world to make some kind of point" which would be fine expect I really don't know what the point was. This is also why I don't understand the appeal of Tinman. "Hey, let's take a charming, whimsical story for children and turn it into a nightmarish dystopian world, and then throw in every lame sci-fi/fantasy cliche we can think of!" Geez, people, if you want your Wizard of Oz a little darker, go watch Return to Oz, at least that actually tries to be faithful to the books. Or better yet, just go read the books, for a children's series it can get pretty weird. :P

Re: 168

[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

"Hey, I'll take a charming, whimsical story for children and turn it into a nightmarish dystopian world to make some kind of point" which would be fine expect I really don't know what the point was.

That's exactly what I hated about the book. Honestly, I think the concept was good. In the original story, Dorothy never encounters the Wicked Witch of the West until she's sent to kill her by the Wizard, who only gives her the justification of "she's very evil and should be killed!" And given the fact that he's been lying to the citizens of Oz since he got there, it's not too far a jump to wonder what else he's lying about (and as to the kind of leader he'd be, well, 1920's Midwesterner's bound to have some latent racism, or, if he's clever, be aware of how discrimination against a minority unites the rest of the people).

Heck, even in the movie, the Witch has darned good justification for wanting revenge off Dorothy--that was her sister, after all.

But...the point of the flipside got completely lost somewhere along the muddled way. I feel like, even as oversimplified as it was, at least the musical stays coherent.

Tinman's another one I liked the concept of, but not the execution. It could've been better. I didn't really care about seeing Wizard of Oz "darker" (because nothing can beat the good ol' fashioned Nightmare Fuel of the movie...unless it's Dorothy getting electroshock treatment in Return to Oz. I think my little sister still considers that to be the freakiest movie she ever saw). I just like the idea of reinterpretations.

Re: 168

[venusian-eye.livejournal.com]

IAWT 2 C. Seriously. IMHO, the book was a bunch of poorly thrown-together stream-of-consciousness novellas that attempted to come across as sinister and instead came across as disgusting and misogynist. The plot of the book is completely incoherent and there's *never* a point to the (ridiculous and unrealistic) shit that happens, only a halfassed attempt at a mood. The idea - presenting the horrible dark reality of a fairy-tale world via fragments of the life of a villain - is a brilliant one, but the execution of that idea was... well, to put it kindly, *sub-optimal*.

:/ I really freaking hated the book, to the extent that I strongly resisted listening to the musical.

But the musical is pretty darn good. It's also about dark, sinister realities - but they apply to the real world, too, and the execution doesn't involve gratuitous sex scenes OR any completely and repulsively irredeemable characters. The musical is self-aware, too, and makes fun of itself; a song like "Popular" could never be anything but tongue-in-cheek, regardless of how unpleasantly true it is.

Teal deer, I fucking hate the book and I like the musical.

Re: 168

[rattyfleef.livejournal.com]

I like the musical for the same reason I like any musical--the singing is fantastic ^^ And you're right that the self-awareness makes palatable a lot of things that would otherwise lead to headsplosions. I bailed out on the book shortly after Elphaba hooked up with Fiyero. I couldn't take the WUT factor and the ostentatious writing style any more :P Life is too short to read bad books!

Re: 168

[christ-chexx-4u.livejournal.com]

thank you for articulating exactly why i got annoyed with this book. i mean it started good, but by the end i was praying for it to be over. a fish in the well and a convent and what the fucking fuck was even going on???