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An added note. Is Republican antagonism to women having anything remotely basic in choice or health care that's not a "preexisting condition" and obsession with controlling access to birth control actually related to wanting to increase the population, especially a poor, desperate population that can be convinced joining the military is their only or best choice?

It's not about abortion to me, since I do understand easily the issues many, man people have with that, in different nuances and situations, but if not abortion, then birth control should be pretty much a priority, right? since i does prevent abortions?

Is Republican antagonism to women having anything remotely basic in choice or health care that's not a "preexisting condition" and obsession with controlling access to birth control actually related to wanting to increase the population, especially a poor, desperate population that can be convinced joining the military is their only or best choice?

Not consciously, I don't think (for the most part, outside of fringe Quiverfull types). There's some overlap - conservatives are perhaps more likely to see a larger population as a good thing because they see the extra people as a labor force, as consumers, as soldiers, and so are less likely to worry about overpopulation - but mostly, they pursue those policies because they think they're morally, socially, ideologically right.

Does the disconnect between "against abortion but also against birth control" not cause issues, though? My siblings and I were raised starkly Republican but none of us are against birth control. Abortion is always going to be a much thornier issue politically and culturally in this country, I think--at least for another generation, no matter what you believe. It's very hot button. But being against birth control just seems...weird to me. It lowers abortions. If abortion = murder, then preventing abortion should be the top goal, not "prevent access to birth control because I don't happen to like it."

The logic is that birth control leads to premarital sex and other kinds of moral laxity, which are Wrong, and cannot be permitted.

Surely Murder Is Worse Than Premarital Naughty Times.

The idea is that they're both simply wrong. It's not a utilitarian argument, it's an argument about moral principles and a moralistic point of view on governance and society in general.

I find that depressing because governance is supposed to be somewhat practical, not a thought exercise. It's regular people who suffer when it's all just "that sounds good" in the idea of rich / powerful people without caring how it affects reality.

remember, it's only premarital sex if you get married afterwards.

Never Marital Sex

I suppose the whole shotgun wedding does have some appeal to some repubs, but I'm not sure the young men of this generation would go for that lol.

It's not just the girls who don't want to get married at 18 and have a lot of kids and a dead end job.

Having married / committed parents is definitely good for kids, but not at *any* cost.

I suppose the whole shotgun wedding does have some appeal to some repubs, but I'm not sure the young men of this generation would go for that lol. It's not just the girls who don't want to get married at 18 and have a lot of kids and a dead end job.

They only think they don't want it because they've been brainwashed by the godless lieberal Hollywood elite Communist cultural Marxist California college professor media out in Hollywood and New York.

It was called shotgun wedding for a reason... Even back in the day before the "lieberals" "he" probably didn't want to be there. Her daddy was just making the choice a little more...persuasive.

I mean, I'm not saying that it's a correct explanation, by any means

Some people believe that hormonal birth control causes abortions by preventing implantation rather than conception [insert argument about when pregnancy technically begins here], or causing a miscarriage should the woman get pregnant anyway. I vaguely remember the Duggars taking this position. Something about Michelle going on the pill after her first child, but getting pregnant anyway and having a miscarriage.

Then there is the belief that any sex without the potential for baby-makin' is sinful. So, no birth control for you!

Let's give them that as a hundred percent correct. There are still different sorts of birth control, right???

Again, if the belief is Abortion=Murder, then things that prevent abortion should be encouraged. That means...some sort of effective, safe birth control.

Or do we just give up and say "We're the new Catholic church now, and the Pope says have more babies."

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