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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-08-15 04:20 pm

[ SECRET POST #588 ]


⌈ Secret Post #588 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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cleverthylacine: a cute little thylacine (possessive!Sylar)

Re: 126 OP

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-08-15 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
That's right, blame the shippers.

She's not very well-written.

I spend a lot of time around people who are kinda political, and to hear some of them talk, she's a frigging litmus test. If you hate her you must be a racist misogynist, especially if you dare (gasp) to ship Mylar.

There are a few gross people on [livejournal.com profile] heroes_sylar. It's a HUGE community. There are also people on that comm that ship her with Sylar.
Edited 2008-08-15 23:55 (UTC)

Re: 126 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-16 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Not the OP, but -

That's right, blame the shippers.

That's not what she said. [livejournal.com profile] heroes_sylar is bugfuck crazy, and I severely doubt all the Maya haters are Mylar shippers. That being said, your stamina in making everything about you and your preferences is simply astounding.

Re: 126 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-16 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
She's not very well-written.

I never claimed she was well-written. I am more than willing to acknowledge that there were multiple problems with her storyline. But I also firmly believe that her poor storyline issues alone are nowhere near enough to cause all the rampant hate she got (and still gets). No, I'm not saying that every single person who hates and bashes her is a Mylar shipper - that's obviously not the case. But a lot of them are. And a lot of them bash her mainly for that reason, if their comments are anything to go by.

There are a few gross people on [livejournal.com profile] heroes_sylar.

A few? Hah.

There are also people on that comm that ship her with Sylar.

True, there are a small handful. But I seriously hope you're not attempting to equate the Mylar fanbase with the Maya/Sylar shippers, because the difference in numbers between the two groups borders on astronomical.

Re: 126 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-16 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
She's not very well-written.

Neither is Yaeko, as you yourself pointed out above.

Yet, there is no gigantic backlash against her.

Why? Two reasons. One: There are more people in the Heroes fandom (i.e. in the US) who are aware of South American stereotypes than there are people aware of what kind of stereotypes the Japanese find of themselves in foreign media (i.e. Americentrism). Two: Maya has the potential to break two much, much larger ships. And you honestly expect people to not interpret at least part of the Maya-bashing to be about shippers and their territories?

Duh.
cleverthylacine: a cute little thylacine (possessive!Sylar)

Re: 126 OP

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-08-16 06:07 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know anyone who likes Yaeko either, but you just go right on blaming the shippers. There is no gigantic backlash against Yaeko because she's a plot device. No-one has yet thought to make her a Feminist, Anti-Racist Litmus Test. She's not meant to be a star, she's a reason for Kensei and Hiro to argue. She's not a hero.

How stupid would I have to be to expect Mohinder and Sylar to become lovers in canon, and how little would I have to care about my OTP in order to consider my ship "broken" if they get together with other people? Shipping is about subtext. If your ship becomes canon it's usually unsatisfying and it doesn't mean you win.
Edited 2008-08-16 06:08 (UTC)

Re: 126 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-16 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
How stupid would I have to be to expect Mohinder and Sylar to become lovers in canon

That's the most intelligent thing you've said in this whole thread. Thumbs up!

Re: 126 OP

(Anonymous) 2008-08-16 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know anyone who likes Yaeko either

Yeah, but do you see massive hate campaigns? If you do, I'd like you to point me in that direction. But seeing as you are personally blind to the massive hate campaign against Maya, I'm not sure I trust your eyes one bit. A lot of people are "meh" about Yaeko. Perfectly understandable. Maya inspires frothing rage and demands for her head on a platter. If you really can't see the difference, again: get your eyes examined.

How stupid would I have to be to expect Mohinder and Sylar to become lovers in canon, and how little would I have to care about my OTP in order to consider my ship "broken" if they get together with other people? Shipping is about subtext. If your ship becomes canon it's usually unsatisfying and it doesn't mean you win.

That is indeed the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say. That it's common fucking sense speaks volumes about you.