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[ SECRET POST #4275 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4275 ⌋

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[Better Call Saul]

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[Alexa Bliss/Mickie James, WWE]

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[Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom]

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[Noel Fielding]

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[Chris Pine in The Outlaw King]

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I'm pretty sure her sister set it up as an emergency in part because she knew Claire wouldn't accept when she was so busy otherwise and her busybody sister felt she needed to get her priorities straight IE settle down and become a mom and really, she just needed the EXPERIENCE with kids to Get It.

That's not what I saw in the movie at all, but okay.

I think you're right.

CLAIRE
Hey, Karen!

KAREN
Hi, Claire. How's it going?

CLAIRE
Yeah, everything's great.
The boys are having fun.
Everyone's...
Yeah, everyone's good.

KAREN
Really? Because I
just hung up with Zach,
and he said that you
weren't even with them.

CLAIRE
Yeah, look. Today turned out
to be a really bad day for me.
They're in great hands.
They're with my assistant.
She's British,
so they invented nannies.
Wait, are you crying?

KAREN
This was supposed to be
a family weekend, Claire.
You haven't seen
the boys in forever.
And I know how Zach will treat
Gray if they're by themselves.
And he can just be so mean.

That's literally a conversation she and her sister have in the beginning of the film (about how Claire should find a man and settle down and have kids), so IDK how to help you.

That I get. The sister wanted Claire to want kids, and that's shitty. I still don't think the sister foisted her kids on Claire. It seemed to me like a planned ship that Claire knew about and agreed to in advance. And you don't have to be a mom to treat your relatives decently. I hate kids, but if my sister had kids? I would be perfectly nice to them and actually do what I said I'd do.

This. As much as that whooooole thing between Clair and her sister rubbed me totally the wrong way, this seemed like a planned trip and not, "Oh by the way the kids will be at Jurassic World tomorrow, I need you to make sure you look after them."

Claire had obviously prepared the armbands/passes/etc for the kids, she knew they were coming, work just came up so that she couldn't actually spend their arrival day showing them around.

And you think it's coincidence that Sister wanted the Really Busy Weekend Claire had that was important to her job?

Like shit, I'm even an aunt, but if my sister knew I had an important weekend, IDK. Especially since, from experience, people like Karen tend to poke and prod at things until they get their way. How many times did Claire shoot Karen down with, "But I'm super busy with work that weekend" only to be told, "BUT FAAAAAMILY." At some point, you realize this is going to happen with or without your permission so you do what you can.

Yeah. She obviously chose to have a messy divorce on purpose, just to fuck with Claire and teach her a lesson. You're really, really reaching.

No. The divorce wasn't her choice. But shoving the kids off on Claire instead of a friend or other relative she could trust and on the specific weekend she knew her sister would be busy was her choice, especially in light of her wanting Claire to have her own kids.

I mean. Don't you think that... possibly... the choice was informed by the fact that Jurassic World is an incredibly awesome place the kids would enjoy and that it'd be a nice memory to have before they find out their parents are divorcing? And that... possibly... that the choice was also informed by the fact that it's not inherently bad to ask your own sister for help when your family is being put through the wringer? Or that at a time when those kids are about to have their world turned upside down, it might help them to know that they still have a network of family support out there? It doesn't make you a bad person to treat a job-having woman like she's a sacred goddess who cannot be approached for any reason whatsoever.

I'll be frank. Your "BUT FAAAAAMILY" makes me wonder... do you lurk on r/JustNoMIL, by chance? It's a great subreddit, but a lot of people with shitty moms and MILs are hypervigilant and they see Magdas everywhere. Oh, your MIL dropped by your house when you said you couldn't see her? OMG HOLY SHIT CAMERAS CAMERAS KEEP A JOURNAL CALL THE POLICE SHE'LL SET YOUR HOUSE ON FIRE AND MURDER YOUR CATS ALERT ALERT!!!!!

Not every MIL is a psycho. There are lots of run of the mill, non-psycho shitty MILs. Not everyone who makes a shitty comment about other women having kids is a batshit crazy puppetmaster who's 100% foisting her own kids off on you in revenge. Leaping to conclusions based on one offhand comment is... wow. You've built up this entire weird story in your head about how awful this sister is and how she's deliberately plotting against her own sister using her kids as pawns and it's just not there in the movie.

NAYRT

basically all of this depends on how much communication there was about having the kids be there beforehand, which is something that's not entirely specified in the movie (IIRC), so arguing about it at this level of intensity is probably a little pointless

It's true you don't see a conversation between the sisters where they make these plans, but it's not a mystery - it was planned. The kids were given passes to Jurassic World by their parents beforehand, Claire's assistant is sent to meet them, Claire doesn't react in shock like "OMG what are my nephews doing here???"

It was obviously planned. Anyone who tries to argue that Claire's sister sprung this on her last minute and unannounced simply hasn't watched the movie very closely, or they're watching it with some serious hate-goggles on, for some weird reason.

But it's still not clear how much planning there was, how much pressure there was, what the situation was, whose idea it was, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

I... guess? I mean... sure? We could look on the fact that the movie didn't go into exhaustive detail about the whole decision making process and say there's room for interpretation. It's not deliberately ambiguous, though - those scenes are quite rightly left out, because they'd be boring. But it seems kind of nuts to look at that lack of exhaustive detail and be all, "Ooh, obviously Claire's evil sister hatched a malicious plot to beat Claire over the head about her childlessness by dumping her own kids on this career woman who can run a multi million dollar theme park with cloned dinosaurs and a crazy science lab, but who is somehow helpless to resist getting tricked into babysitting!"

listen, i don't know

I think there are a lot of ways of interpreting the information presented to us - the visit is planned in some way, Claire is obviously unhappy about it on some level and it interferes with her work, her sister wants her to Learn A Lesson about having kids. Sometimes people can have pressure put on them by their family in ways that they wouldn't be vulnerable in their professional lives. People who are seeing that in the movie are hardly making it up, anymore than you are.

I'm not saying she's ~evil~. I'm saying that she, based on the scenes, seems like a person used to getting her way. A character flaw! Surprise! Mom characters aren't exempt from them!

It's nice to know you've never been in a position where you know something is going to happen against your wishes whether you like it or not. Like, your sister who always gets her way wanting to go to X place for dinner when you can hardly eat anything on the menu. But she wants it, and all protests fall on deaf ears. And it stays like this, no matter how accomplished you get!

Sister wanted this, so it's going to happen--even if it means Sister's going to just drop the kids off on Claire when the time comes, and then she'll get in trouble if anything bad happens. So you just go along with it and plan around it (the everything she did to fast track them through the park and having someone else babysit them). Like, this isn't CRAAAAAYZAAAAAAY just because you can't see how someone who ~has such a hard job can't be tricked into babysitting~.

Making a shitty, presumptuous comment about Claire having kids is one thing, setting her up deliberately as an object lesson in forced parenting is quite another. This isn't as logical of an assumption as you seem to think.

You'd be surprised what some people will do when they think someone else NEEDS kids, up to and including sabotaging birth control.

You're reading quite a lot into the situation that isn't actually supported by what appears in the film.

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