[ SECRET POST #4277 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4277 ⌋

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04. https://s8.postimg.cc/e3gw4maf9/susp.png

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, this is why I don't make secrets. You're totally right, op.

[(Anonymous)]

It always bugs me but it's also mostly just me being pedantic, so I should probably knock it off. I do try not to give people shit about it but I do fail sometimes, usually when it's about fantasy. My problem is really with the term itself.

[(Anonymous)]

That's so annoying. I especially hate that people act like no work of fantasy can be criticized for lack of logic. Fantasy doesn't mean that anything goes and nothing needs to make sense.

[(Anonymous)]

This this this. And it's usually delivered in the form of "Really? This [media] has undead half-unicorn, half-mermaid, half-space rock wizard nuns, and [that*] is what you can't believe?"

*where that = believable human interactions and reactions, or internal consistency in the world-building -_-

[(Anonymous)]

Or "having characters that are black or female and sill have agency"

[(Anonymous)]

It very much depends on how they are included. There are historical reasons why the US has a large blakc population. You can't have a large black (or white for that matter) population in a story set in, say, fantasy version of ancient China, without people asking questions of how did this population got there in the first place. But you can include a non-Asian character with a passing line about being the son of a travelling merchant from distant lands, or something like that, and it will be consistent with the worldbuilding.

[(Anonymous)]

You can't have a large black (or white for that matter) population in a story set in, say, fantasy version of ancient China

I could if I wanted to.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure you could. Would be shit writing though.

[(Anonymous)]

"make sense" is not, like, a neutral and unquestionable idea

[(Anonymous)]

In the context of criticizing fiction it usually means "follows a consistent internal logic."

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of people use it to refer to the internal logic that they would like to see, as much as the one that actually exists in the work. And it's also an open question what aspects of internal logic matter more or less. It's not just a simple thing.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't mean people should stop calling inconsistencies where they see them, or that writers should stop trying to make their works consistent because people are fickle and the idea of making sense is nebulous so why bother.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure. I don't expect people to stop. And if I don't agree with their ideas of what is inconsistent, I'm gonna say so, if I think it's significant and relevant to the conversation and not just pedantic or a personal preference.

[(Anonymous)]

Vitalism makes more sense to the lizard brain than the laws of thermodynamics. A lot of fictional consistent internal logic is on the same level and stuff that's muddled like real world laws is often deemed bad storytelling.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS. So many people don't realize what this means or how it applies to storytelling, but even fictional universes need to follow some sort of internal logic, even if that universe doesn't behave the exact same way our universe does.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, keeping in mind that the internal logic only needs to operate in aesthetic / narrative terms to be valid.

[(Anonymous)]

Remember *Merlin*? A group of my friends concluded it had the opposite thing going, a moment when suspension of disbelief was pushed so far you just gave up and enjoyed it. A historia friend objected to potatoes in Camelot. For me, it was a statue of a dog animating into a Rottweiler (or was it a Doberma ?) And then we went, ah fuck it, and just gave up and enjoyed it. And I am usually a pedant!

[(Anonymous)]

A group of my friends concluded it had the opposite thing going, a moment when suspension of disbelief was pushed so far you just gave up and enjoyed it.

Xena was the Queen of this type of fantasy show. Still super enjoyable the whole way through.

[(Anonymous)]

On the other hand, if your suspension of disbelief is so short that you can only accept 100% reality-based, maybe fandom isn't for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you think OP falls into that category, or are you just trying to start a tangential conversation?

[(Anonymous)]

OP might, there's no evidence either way. But it is an addendum to it, because I've seen people who have zero suspension of disbelief and they're... Tiring, to say the least.

Source for the picture?

[(Anonymous)]

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Re: Source for the picture?

[(Anonymous)]

http://benjaminheath.tumblr.com/post/73335872492/above-the-capilano-river-british-columbia

[(Anonymous)]

OP, love your phrase "Rubicon of Nope." I may borrow this.