[ SECRET POST #4282 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4282 ⌋

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[Sara Sidle on CSI]


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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

On one hand I feel bad and sympathize

On the other hand I'd rather be punched in the face than listen to Jesus rock

So yeah, you are correct, and I'm genuinely appreciative that my friends do not rec Jesus rock to me

[greghousesgf]

I'm assuming that a christian rock band called the Choir isn't the 60s garage band of the same name that did a song called "It's Cold Outside" (NOT "Baby it's cold outside")

[(Anonymous)]

nah their first album was 1985, not the same

[dinogrrl]

Yeah, same. Even as a Christian (though a different sort from when I was really into Christian rock/pop), I totally get how annoying it can be to have religious music pushed at you without warning or consent. If I do have a Christian rock/pop/whatever song to rec, I post it in my own journal here, and label it as Christian, so other people can avoid it if they want. I also make a point to post a wide variety of genres whenever I rec music, which I think helps it not come across as 'preaching'. So far this seems to be working out okay.

[(Anonymous)]

makes sense. I do have some journal content related to my music tastes if I ever want to safely rec, I guess.

[philstar22]

I still listen to some too. I think the only time I ever recced one, though, was when I used a song in a fanmix. One character worshiped another, so the song fit.

[rosehiptea]

I've gone through a bunch of religious upheaval in my life but at one time I owned a Steve Taylor album. It was pretty good, which is probably why I remember - it was a really long time ago.

I wouldn't listen to Christian rock now and I'd rather people don't rec it specifically to me, but if someone puts a bunch of recs up on a blog for a group of people to see I think that's fair.

[(Anonymous)]

a really long time ago? I bet, but he made some really good shit back then.

[sam_gamgee]

I'd be willing to talk about it if you want.

[(Anonymous)]

recs or actually know the genre?

[(Anonymous)]

Is Steve Taylor making good music again? I thought he quit and went into producing for noticeably worse bands, like Sixpence None the Richer.

[(Anonymous)]

late, but yes! he rounded up a couple of old bandmates, plus Pete Furler, called them the Perfect Foil, and made an amazing album called Goliath. saw them live twice in 2016, they were excellent.

I lost track of him for a while too, apparently he took a side foray into filmmaking for about ten years and only recently came back to music.

[osidiano]

They've got some really good bands! I once accidentally took a date to a Christian rock show in Richmond because I hadn't realized the band I liked was Jesus music. Man did we ever feel out of place when everyone started praying between sets XD

[mudousetsuna]

With that icon I imagine Steve doing that on accident. XD

[(Anonymous)]

There are a few bands that I only found out were Christian bands after I already liked their songs for a while and I refuse to start disliking their music just because they're part of a faith I don't share.

And I quite honestly think less of people who sneer at other for liking bands like that (as long as the bandmembers don't have a track record of being aggressive towards "nonbelievers"). First of all: A certain underlying faith doesn't make music better or worse, mostly it's the lyrics people have issues with but really, then you should refuse to listen to ANY music with religious themes or mentions. And secondly: I very much doubt that the same people who act all condescending towards anyone who listens to "Jesus music" probably still watches plenty of movies made by Scientologists, which should be much more "problematic".

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a lefty Christian who likes CCM. If I ever so much as casually mention any information about CCM around other lefty Christians, without qualifying the statement, I get this Look. Like they're assuming I listen to nothing bu that, all day, and indiscriminately love all of it. Rather than, I like about a third of it and only stop to listen if it's a song I enjoy, just like I do with secular pop. But I think it's unfair that both fans and detractors treat CCM like it's one monolithic genre where if you like one band you have to like all the others (for Christians, this could be a backlash from our childhoods when this stuff was forced on us in a "see? God is cool too!" attitude by clueless adults). It's actually a bunch of sub genres, again, like secular pop. And within that, you can divide them by the motivation of the artist

Corporate CCM (deliberately designed and marketed as a wholesome alternative to secular pop, often cynically trying to mimic the latest secular trends, tends to make the music worse)
Bands who just happen to be on trend and record through a Christian record label
Bands with one or more Christian member
Modernized/Contemporary hymns

But the dividing line isn't actually about quality or the artist's level of piety. The Christian Music Industry decides who counts as legit CCM. And that's really based on two things

1) Artist's "lifestyle". Doesn't matter how devout you insist you are, if you smoke, drink, swear, have pre/extra marital sex or sing about any of those things, aren't straight and/or have openly liberal politics, you won't get airplay. If you're LDS, you're also out, no matter how clean, wholesome and conservative you are. Tick any of these boxes and it won't matter how popular or beautiful your religious song is, it's not getting CCM airplay.

2) Whether or not they at least got their start recording through a Christian label. Artists recording before a certain time get sort of grandfathered in, but you go through the right channels or you don't count. Once you're locked out due to making the wrong choice in record labels, you're never getting back in. Not even if you try to sneak back in through country music.

But there's a whole world of stuff out there which Corporate Christian Music ignores or won't endorse, again, just like secular indie music vs secular top forty.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

EXCELLENT breakdown of it. I actually used to be in the CCM industry in the 90s, so I can say you're spot on about all of this. Hell, I knew Skillet before they went techno.

I think the breakdown of the music industry machine in terms of labels and distribution is probably the best thing that could have happened to a lot of artists, because now they don't have to worry about their Jesus Per Minute quotient or agree to do a worship album in order to get signed. They can produce and distribute their own stuff, market it through social media, and still make an impact.

But what actually bothered me was finding out that shortly after I fell out, rock music actually died, industry-wise, and aside from the artists like Skillet now signed to mainstream labels, there's no concerted push to encourage hard music. Honestly, the mid-90s Tooth N Nail revolution was the best thing to happen to CCM and it's a damned shame that the worship trends of the early 00s killed it so quickly and so thoroughly. I appreciated artists in the industrial and emo movements who were willing to talk about taboo subjects in their music and insinuate that maybe we didn't have all the answers.

[cloudtrader]

I know it doesn't have anywhere near the same historical connotations as "Christian" does, but I grew up on Hindu religious music, particularly rocked-up bhajan songs. Everyone I've ever recommended them to thought they were pretty cool. I'm sure most people won't be dicks if you just want to share something you love with them.

[(Anonymous)]

I would take those recs, lol. I love music, and tend to alternate depending on my mood (or sometimes who is in the car), but christian rock is definitely on my radar!