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⌈ Secret Post #591 ⌋

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I know I'm just adding to the plentiful comments here, but for what it's worth, I can see where you're coming from. If I were a character in TDK where the Joker were a real person, there is no way in hell that I would want to get within a mile of him. Especially in scenes like when he tortured and killed the Batman impersonator, he is frightening, disgusting, and deeply horrifying.

However, I strongly disagree that finding the character appealing in a safe fantasy space is similarly disgusting. As I'm sure you're aware, BSDM has a huge following, primarily practiced in ways that are safe, sane, and consensual. For people who find things like fear and exchange of control and power arousing (which I imagine describes a large portion of Joker fans, myself included), it is indeed possible to do so in ways that ultimately aren't degrading, don't set women back decades, aren't unsafe, and are really a lot of fun if you like that sort of thing. When people say they'd hit it, they don't usually mean the Joker as a person in real life, they mean the Joker as a fantasy character. Even if that fantasy sounds extreme and dangerous, if faced with the reality, I strongly doubt it would be anywhere near a shade of hot. Just as BDSM isn't abuse, isn't rape, isn't self-mutilation, fancying the Joker isn't wanting to really get your cheeks sliced open or a pencil through your chest.

I strongly recommend reading posts like BSDM 101 at Subversive Submissive (http://subversivesub.wordpress.com/bdsm-101/), which especially stresses the differences between fantasy and reality and the differences between BDSM and real life, and this story of being outed (http://bloodylaughter.com/label/attacked/page/2/) at A Place to Draw Blood Laughing, which gives a first-hand account of just how damaging and awful such negative comments can feel. Some food for thought, I hope.

Thank you for posting this.

so, wanting to be raped by the Joker is like BSDM?

Well, even if they're not quite the same or if people don't identify that way, it certainly comes from the same place, the same kind of feelings. You might be surprised how common rape fantasies are, within BDSM and otherwise, and how they're most often held by self-respecting women and men who would never want to be raped for real.

And personally, yes, it is like BDSM for me. It would be hot to roleplay that in a safe setting. And I understand that what's hot for me is not hot for everyone, but I wouldn't say that things I don't find hot are disgusting. It's a classic case of saying 'your kink is not my kink but your kink is okay' and moving on.

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