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More like Democrats shouldn't have ran a presidential candidate with one of the poorest likeabilities in ages, actively alienate the working class, and actually vote. It's like you guys want to blame everyone but yourself.

That's crap. She was clearly a thousand times better than Trump, and anyone who thought they were even comparable was either stupid or willfully ignorant.

That's an awful lot of assumptions about 62,979,636 people

Yes it is. Trump was obviously terrible from the get go. even if you agreed with his terrible world view, he was clearly self-centered and couldn't handle criticism while dishing out comments that were entirely inappropriate for a presidential candidate. I have no sympathy for anyone who didn't vote for Hillary. Trump was clearly terrible and terrifying, and people should have wanted to do anything necessary to keep him out of office.

Your inability to even consider why people would vote for Trump beyond that they're stupid is real telling and pretty damn reflective of the democratic party treats fencesitters..

And before you pull that shit on me, I didn't vote for him.

lol

see, I'm sure they had reasons

I just believe they *also* have to be stupid/willfully ignorant/completely locked in a Fox outrage bubble for those reasons to overcome Trump's obvious incompetence and corruption

the republican party consists in its entirety of con artists and con marks. otherwise decent people can get conned, and people who are hurting and hopeless are more likely to fall for Trump's snake oil routine and all the corporate hacks who paved the way for him. but it's still either stupidity or willful desperation to believe the big strong man will save them when he utterly and obviously is in it for nothing but his ego and sheer graft. the information is there. he never even tried to hide it.

The democratic party is essentially the same though with better social policies.

Three of my state's governors that have been arrested were Democrats lol. And nevermind the all former intelligence and military operatives from the CIA currently running for Dem seats: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/07/dems-m07.html

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Exactly. Hillary wasn't my ideal candidate, but I still voted for her because it was so important.

And whoever the 2020 Democrat is, I'm going to vote for them even if they're not ideal because the most important thing is to get him out of office.

anyone who thought they were even comparable was either stupid or willfully ignorant.

Very true. She's a damned warhawk and started more wars. Anyone who loves war like her is the very worst. Nothing comparable to Trump.

The only reason Trump hasn't started any wars is because he can't maintain his attention long enough to do so.

Meanwhile, Trump is careening us toward World War 3 and a mass genocide of minorities like it's the 1940s.

Why are you an idiot?

Didn't vote Trump, but no way in hell would I have ever voted for Hillary. Third party, only option left. Way left.

inb4 "it's the upper middle class who voted him in!"

She was a shit candidate, and I do think that "nominate better candidates" is a much better strategy than "be nicer".

But people still made a choice to vote for Donald Trump, they made that decision, and that's still their responsibility. And what this "alienate the working class" nonsense is, I sure don't know.

You mean like candidates who don't call people deplorables?

The funny thing is that the context of what she actually said was to the effect that Trump supporters who are racist are deplorable, and the rest of them aren't deplorable. Which I don't think anyone could really disagree with, but the media did what it did.

But, of course, if you want to talk about insulting voters being bad -

NAYRT

So let's look at her "deplorables" comment in its entirety, shall we, because it reads totally differently than how the media made it sound:

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”

“Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well,” she said.

Hm. Interesting how it takes on a whole different tone when you see it in context, doesn't it?

Besides that, even if she had called everyone who voted for Trump a deplorable, she's not wrong. Supporting putting children into cages is deplorable. The white supremacists and neo-Nazis who supported him are deplorable. Supporting somebody who spent seven years claiming Obama wasn't born in the U.S., and seeing nothing about voting for the man who pushed that conspiracy to follow Obama as president, is deplorable (and these are the same people who have the nerve to sit here and bitch about how we're not "respecting" President Trump enough).

And the Sandy Hook conspiracy theorists and other Trump supporters who push other insane conspiracy theories like Pizzagate and such, the Trump supporters who mock victims of school shootings, the people who don't support LGBT rights, etc.? Yeah. That's deplorable, too.

Not to mention, I like how she calls actual racists/sexists/homophobes etc. deplorable and people flip the fuck out and refuse to vote for her because of it. Meanwhile, Trump was mocking disabled people at rallies, disrespecting a Gold Star veteran and his family openly, insulting Mexicans and saying vile things about women and so on during the campaign, and apparently that wasn't enough to ruin his campaign.

SA

*"seeing nothing wrong about", that should read.

NART but I’m working class and I had working class parents and grandparents and like fuck would I ever have voted for Resident Chump, a man who was born with a fucking silver spoon in his mouth and probably a goddamn platinum buttplug up his ass that only got pulled out when it was replaced by Vladimir Putin’s hand like the world’s most disgusting puppet.

He’s Romney all over again but with zero business acumen aside from fucking over his contractors and employees, he’s doing his damndest to run the county like a mafia don and into the ground. He’s raised taxes (oh wait they’re called tariffs same fucking thing) to the equivalent of his tax cut that btw expires in 2027 for people who aren’t corporations or able to go diving in a money vault like Scrooge McDuck while trying to cut Medicaid, Medicare, SNAP, and Social Security.

Lots of the working class and working poor aren’t white and/or are single moms or disabled and he’s got zero empathy for any of that. The only thing he’s ever worked at in his life is stealing from people and the government to enrich himself. I’ve missed one midterm primary election in the 17 years I’ve been able to vote. FUCK YOU for assuming the working class fell for his bullshit in lockstep, or that all the working poor think like you.

From a fellow working-class person who didn't vote for Trump with a working-class family who also didn't vote for him, THIS. Thank you. Some of us saw through him right from the get-go. Hell, I didn't like the guy well before he ever considered running from president, just 'cause he always came off like a pompous ass whenever he popped up in the news or on TV for something or other.

Besides that, hasn't the whole "working class people voted for Trump" thing kinda been disproven?

AYRT—not according to “if you hadn’t mocked straight white men so much I wouldn’t have voted for him” up there. Almost makes me wish my dad was still alive. He probably would’ve voted for Stein because he thought the Clintons weren’t liberal enough for him—which, fair, but I’m more pragmatic than that and voted Sanders in the primary and Clinton in the general—and at least if he met Mr. “HDU mock my masculinity just for that I’m voting for Tiny Hands von Richbastard” he’d have broken his nose for him.

AYRT

Yeah, were my dad alive he would've voted for Clinton, too, no question. Like your dad, he didn't agree with Hillary on everything*, but he still would've thought she was a damn sight better choice for a whole host of reasons.

*That's another thing I don't get. I wouldn't have agreed with Hillary on everything politically, either. But at least if she'd won, I'd have somebody in the office who I would've agreed with on some issues, and who I and other liberals could've perhaps had an easier time persuading to support more of the stuff we want. If the left felt Hillary wasn't left enough for them, then once she got the nomination, they could've agreed to vote for her while also making clear they were going to hold her feet to the fire and want her to do more to support liberal policies.

Instead, now we're all stuck with an idiot who liberals don't agree with on ANYTHING and who will refuse to listen to anybody that doesn't kiss his ass and do his bidding. So...good job, people.

Amen. My working class family and I voted against his sorry ass and we're voting against him/his party/his agenda every opportunity that we get.

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