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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-08-20 05:26 pm

[ SECRET POST #593 ]


⌈ Secret Post #593 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 215 secrets from Secret Submission Post #085.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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cleverthylacine: a cute little thylacine (the challah was taken)

Re: 187

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-08-20 10:44 pm (UTC)(link)
The Crusades, the forcible conversion and murder of Jews in the 15th century, witch burnings and hangings, the millions of deaths in the Reformation and Inquisition because Christians used to love killing each other over fine print and bullet points? Totally > radical Islamic terrorism today.

And just try to tell me that some of the whacko Dominionists aren't as nuts as the Taleban.

Re: 187

(Anonymous) 2008-08-20 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I suppose that Christianity can give Islam a run for its money.

Still, the Armenian Genocide: 300 000 -> 1 500 000, depending on the country.
Darfur Genocide: 400 000, probably more, although that's still happening.
Iraqi Shia/Tsuni conflict: 70 000, give or take about 15 000. Also, still going on.

And that's just in the last century.

Re: 187

(Anonymous) 2008-08-20 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, millions of deaths in the Spanish Inquisition? Wow, that's wrong. If you make it out to be millions of deaths in the three Inquisitions combined, you're still wrong. That would be as much as, if not more than, the number of people killed by the Black Death. Which, as we know, killed up to two thirds of the population of Europe at the time.

Now, the Black Death is certainly a topic worth talking about if we want to talk about Christian evils. Such as ignorant townspeople massacring Jews because they believed that the Jews caused the plague (and why not? The Jews used different water supplies and maintained more hygeinic practises, thus they did not get sick as often as the Christians). That, and it was also a way of revolting against a monarchy that protected the Jews to the extent of disfavouring their own, Christian subjects. There was no go ahead from the Church, the Church was too busy struggling to stay on it's feet. Most of the clergy were dying because they were taking care of the sick, and the people replacing them weren't as well trained in matters of the Church, just in matters of alleviating suffering.

In fact, a lot of the evils you speak of are what happens when you have a large group of ignorant people and some sort of calamity that the people in charge can't control. Plague, and the Church can't stop it? Destroy people who are different, because clearly it's their fault. Crops won't grow or children are dying of illnesses? Must be a witch.

All else fails, just be a radically different minority that has a lot of power, or a radically different minority who feels that the majority is all a bunch of Devil worshippers.

It's not the religion, it's the people.

Oh, and the Crusades weren't really about religion at all. Just wealthy noblemen and royalty seeking to fatten their coffers.

Re: 187

(Anonymous) 2008-08-20 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, you just summed up my beef. I was too lazy to write that all out.

Islam, on the other hand, is all about conquest this, and jihad that, and stone this (usually a woman), and subjugate that (usually infidels). Basically what I'm getting at is: When people actually follow Christian precepts to the letter, divinely inspired or not (I lean towards the 'not'), they generally aren't all that violent. When a Muslim actually follows Islamic precepts to the letter...well, you get Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, and Afghanistan.

The fundamental difference between Crusaders and Suicide bombers is that the foot soldiers of the former were generally illiterate, and couldn't read their own Bible. But in the case of the latter, they have usually memorized entire passages from the Koran.
cleverthylacine: a cute little thylacine (Default)

Re: 187

[personal profile] cleverthylacine 2008-08-21 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
You're totally right that the numbers are wrong; what was I thinking? My bad. I suck at maths.

But I dispute that it was all about money. There were clearly people who believed in what they were doing.