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[ SECRET POST #593 ]

⌈ Secret Post #593 ⌋

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123 My husband is 34 and has been an anime fan since he was like, seven (he watched the original Gundam the year it aired in Japan) and from what he's told me there was plenty of drama back in the old days. Fandom wasn't all about sex, but it wasn't perfect, either. And the only reason people usually didn't jump from one fandom to the other is because not as much anime was being produced, period. And for people like my husband who could just go to a store in Los Angeles and buy Japanese vhs copies of brand new OVAs and shit, they actually did "jump around" from fandom to fandom. Because it's boring to spend years and years fixated on the same anime.

124 I always wanted to watch the end of the third Gundam movie stoned out of my mind.

146 I rage when people talk negatively about Joy Division as well, simply because no other band has emotionally resonated with me on the same level.

149 Heteronormativity has nothing to do with shipping. Seeing everything through "slash goggles" doesn't make you any more sensitive to homosexuality or the invisibility of homosexuality in popular culture, it just makes you a retard that needlessly slashes EVERYBODY and EVERYTHING even when it makes no sense. And I hate it when people try to drag gender studies into fandom. Fandom = real life

154 Kamina isn't a virgin -- it doesn't make sense in the dynamic of the show ("my ~~penis~~ sword is so huge," "watch how a real man does it," etc.) And they never expressed how exactly he was unpopular with women underground, just that he was considered an outsider because of the way he butted heads with the village chief all the time.

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Every day I find a new reason why I need to become an English teacher. Listen, beyond the fact that this book was making a parallel between Puritanical witch hunts and McCarthyism, the historical reason for the witch hunts had nothing to do with religion at all. Religious was just a lame justification for sexism and homophobia and racism which was the REAL reason people were targetted as witches. Saying that this book taught you about religion is like saying the 9/11 taught me a lot about religion because of the religious fanatics that destroyed the World Trade Center.

174 I'm 99% certain that I'm the only person outside of Japan who does fanart of my favorite character. I wondered recently why I even keep doing it, since there's no demand for fanart of this character even though he's in a fairly popular fandom.

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I dunno, the uncensored episode six...left me with a distinct impression that he'd never seen a pair of breasts before in his life.

iawtc

D'awwwww

.......I DID learn a lot about religion from 9/11-both from the way religion motivated the hijackers and from the way it affected peoples reactions to it.

And the crucible shows how religion can be used as, as you said, a lame justification.

Just because it's not specifically ABOUT religion doesn't mean you can't learn about religion through it.

People can use ANYTHING as a justification for their actions. People have murdered other people and blamed it on literature or mass media. So people's crazy fanaticism shouldn't affect your judgment of religion.

in their defense, they may be talking more about western fandoms - like they might be old school trekkie slashers or whatever. because there were less people, and less quite young teenagers, and less visibility, i'm assuming the poster is talking about how fandom was presumably less clique-y and less about popularity contests, and less about how many photoshop filters your shitty icon has. and probably more about celebrating fandom for its own sake.

but i wasn't there, so i guess i don't know either.

ps: thanks for your reply to 164. it's even more lol considering the similar secret about his dark materials, which, you know, is actually about christianity.

123 - I didn't think about that, and I feel silly now.

164 - I KNOW, RIGHT. I'm not even a Christian but I get sick and tired of people trying to blame Christianity for every fucking thing. It's just as bad as people trying to blame adolescent violence on video games and movies.

Clearly, you're an idiot who missed the point that assuming very is straight = heteronormativity (that is, making heterosexuality into the "default" even when there's no evidence either way) = "het goggles".

And dismissing someone for wearing "slash goggles" is, in fact, enforcing a heterosexist viewpoint. Sorry.

And dismissing someone for wearing "slash goggles" is, in fact, enforcing a heterosexist viewpoint. Sorry.

Uh, no it's not.
I would have loved to have listened to someone like you sit in my Feminist Theory class and explain to everyone in the class why you think we're all heterosexist for thinking your practice of slashing every fucking male character you come across with another male character is silly and unwarranted. In fact, I live with a gay male couple who happen to think the female fetishizing of their sexuality is disgusting.

I also think that people who want to slash female characters or pair up male and female characters who have no chemistry together are silly. SHIPPING IN GENERAL JUST TO SHIP IS SILLY

And for the last time, my views on fandom = my views on FUCKING REAL PEOPLE, or ACTUAL SOCIETY.

You're an idiot. Accusing someone of "slash goggles" does not mean the person being accused assumes all characters everywhere are gay. However, by dismissing it in such an offhand way without acknowledging that by assuming characters are straight when there's no evidence either way you're wearing "het goggles" you are, in fact, normatizing heterosexuality. Thus heteronormative.

I'm not accusing you of hating gay people. That's not what heterosexism or heteronormativity has to mean. It means assuming that heterosexuality is always going to be the default. In fiction or out of it. RL attitudes often inform fandom, and vice versa.

And, not to wave credentials, but I could, in fact, support my argument. I have a degree in Gender Studies and I'm working on another in American Studies.

This. Everything you said.

Guess what?
I PERFORMED THE PLAY.
THAT'S HOW I LEARNED ABOUT THE RELIGION.

Not simply 'reading the book'.
I spent months studying this show, studying the Puritans, studying McCarthyism.

Stop spewing your elitist shit.
You know nothing.

OMG YOU DIDN'T SPECIFY THAT AND I CAN'T READ YOUR FUCKING MIND
From the secret it appeared that you equated the book with a study of religion, which it is not.

I love how people like you always call me an "elitist" when I throw true information out there that everyone already knows.

Good for you that you studied Puritans, I spent an entire college career studying history and history of religion specifically. So shut the fuck up.

PS Die in a fucking fire

At least s/he didn't say that The Crucible taught him/her about the Puritans. *headdesk*

Well, according to OP above they researched Puritans based on their reading of the Crucible (I'm sure they were very objective in their findings)

Religious was just a lame justification for sexism and homophobia and racism which was the REAL reason people were targetted as witches.

That's a suspiciously simple solution to a complicated and strange cultural practice that happened hundreds of years ago: project our 21st century concerns onto them.

Personally, I don't think that's really getting to the truth of whatever happened then. Maybe their religious beliefs actually did shape their view of the world and the devil was a real threat. We don't know all the history between these people and their tight-knit community that informed individual accusations.

You're right, but trying to explain that to someone who claims to have gained much of their knowledge of religion from a play about witch trials and McCarthyism might be a waste of time.

I actually think it was a little of both. Otherwise some serious questions come into play about why most of the time women were specifically targeted.

That's true--there was definitely a lot of stuff going on there in their society. It did say something about what was acceptable and what wasn't, and which people were vulnerable and which weren't.

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