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fandomsecrets2008-08-20 05:26 pm
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[ SECRET POST #593 ]
⌈ Secret Post #593 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 215 secrets from Secret Submission Post #085.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
Re: 187
If you look at the Constitution, then yeah. But when the Puritans and Pilgrims came to America, they weren't the most accepting of religious beliefs differing from their own, even other Christian sects. There was corruption abounds as far as who could get into governmental positions, and groups like the Quakers and the Catholics (as well as anyone who didn't automatically agree with everything the church did in his/her community) were still persecuted. Pennsylvania and Rhode Island were both formed to provide safe havens against religious persecution in other states.
So while I'm not sure the OP would be burned necessarily (unless it were during the trials), s/he would definitely be banished for heresy. The US was all for freedom of religion as long as you liked the religion they were preaching.
Re: 187
(Anonymous) 2008-08-21 02:00 am (UTC)(link)This is what I was saying. 1692 was in the Puritan era, and was more than a few hundred years ago.
The US was founded a few hundred years ago, and the Constitution outlines the principles the Founding Fathers agreed on.
So my point stands: a few hundred years ago, after the American Revolution, there's no way the OP would have been either banished for heresy or burned. You have to go farther back, to Puritan times, for that.
Re: 187
So my point stands: a few hundred years ago, after the American Revolution, there's no way the OP would have been either banished for heresy or burned. You have to go farther back, to Puritan times, for that.
There's no way the OP would have been either banished for heresy or burned in America. I still don't believe the OP's statement is completely unfounded, especially since we're arguing on a technicality of years involving only one country. I also don't believe religious persecution ended with the American Revolution or signing of the Constitution, but that's another matter altogether.
I honestly don't know when the collective countries of the world stopped actually banishing people, but given that people have been banished/killed throughout history for religious beliefs I don't think his/her statement can be proven false.
Re: 187
(Anonymous) 2008-08-21 03:15 am (UTC)(link)This was the line of my previous post, and yes, I was referring to the USA specifically.
"A few hundred" would be up to 300 years, but this is farther back than that. I think we're splitting hairs here and arguing the same point from opposite directions. I'm sorry my statement referring to America specifically wasn't clear as such.
And the US has never had a state religion. We specialize in spin-offs. See: Shakers, Quakers, Mormons, Spiritualists, etc. etc. etc.
Re: 187
I knew you were talking about America and didn't mean to indicate that you weren't (that is my fault for poor wording). My point was that the OP wasn't, so the fact that s/he wouldn't be banished in America doesn't mean other countries would act the same around that time period.
However, I realize that I did argue the "well s/he could still be banished in America" bit at first, and I retract this if we're not including Puritan times and a little afterward. (As a side note, I am very curious to know when people stopped being banished now.)
I think we're splitting hairs here and arguing the same point from opposite directions.
I agree. ><
True, the US didn't have a state religion. America certainly doesn't come to mind when I think of the most religiously oppressed nations, even including Puritan times.
Re: 187
(Anonymous) 2008-08-21 03:53 am (UTC)(link)Re: 187
(Anonymous) 2008-08-21 04:14 am (UTC)(link)