[ SECRET POST #4311 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4311 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

A girl who's amazing in fiction is a Mary Sue.

A guy who's amazing in fiction is the main protagonist.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT: I made that argument too, and I still do. But no, sorry, these were Sues. And I held Gary Stus to the same standards. I also read a lot of Gary Stus.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, you're missing my point. I guarantee you don't treat them the same way, because Gary Stus are fucking everyone even in canons. And people eat them up!

Meanwhile, writers who are often young or very new to writing will write Mary Sues... And be torn to shreds over them.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, sometimes,but you can't treat this as a universal truth. Sometimes a female character is a Mary Sue, not simply an awesome character being slandered. And sometimes there are Gary Stus who are correctly identified as such, though I agree this doesn't happen as often as it does for female characters.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

When I say "amazing" I don't mean "awesome character." I mean "character who can do everything." But like. That's so bog standard for male characters, especially video game protags, and often they have so few flaws, but they get free passes.

But a girl, who's normally a young teen or who's an older woman who finally got into writing fic, writes a Mary Sue, and she's torn to shreds! Like. I'd rather there be a hundred OCs so people can find their footing, live out their self-indulgent fantasies and get better than the toxic fandom culture right now where Mary Sue is the scum of the earth and needs to be annihilated even at the cost of future writers.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

there's some truth to that. it's definitely a very unnecessarily gendered way of talking about bad OCs.

But... there also is such a thing as a bad OC.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I'd rather deal with bad OCs and the person grow up than forever run people off from writing. The way we treat Mary Sues (and largely Mary Sues only) as the scum of the earth is a big factor in why so many writers today are all about the self-deprecation, I'm willing to bet.

Re: Fandom secrets you can't be bothered to make

[(Anonymous)]

I was in Highlander fandom and holy crap Gary Stus are a real thing, completely apart from "guys who are amazing in fiction and the main protagonist." I do think we need more girls and women who are amazing in fiction and are the main protagonist, though.