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⌈ Secret Post #595 ⌋

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102. World would explode. Too much witty snark in one place.

107. Honestly, it just makes me lawl.

113. I'm inclined to agree. I've loved that musical since I was ten, but I don't really want to get involved in the fandom.

121. See, I almost did as well. In fact, I think I did stop it and go do other things, then came back and tried again. The first five minutes with him on the blog are kind of tedious, especially the first time. It's worth sitting through.

123. 0.o. Meat. Pie. Exactly what it says on the tin. It's a pie...with meat in.
Actually, living in the UK, I'm struck by how often the word "pie" almost always refers to the savoury.

126. Y'know, I say unhealthy, but the truth is, I tend to mean unusual and slightly screwed up. I still think Nine/Rose are my favourite pairing ever, and I wouldn't mind having a relationship like that (so long as it eventually turned into something more).

129. I think these kinds of opinions reflect far far more on the people who insist upon them than the actual show itself. I don't know, it never popped into my head that Martha not being Rose to the Doctor had anything to do with her being black so much as it had to do with her...not being Rose. Which isn't to say Rose is the end-all, be-all, just that when they met, the Doctor was still mourning a companion and wanted her back. The story would've been the same no matter who Martha was played by.

140. Matt?

145. Argueably the biggest reason I watched that movie over and over and over again.

151. Cuz...they're usually fictional, we're shallow, and they're secrets?

157. Ha! It's kind of true, just without me being able to ship them.

161. Honestly, in retrospect, I'm a little bit sad that at some point, "I Am The Walrus" didn't play just so he could sing along with "Don't you think the Joker laughs at you" and do the creepy laugh.
I can see him listening to the White Album. Absolutely.

168. Ugh, I hate it when that happens. It just leaves a bitter taste when there's a great/funny fanartist, and they use it to make cheap potshots at Rose (or, well, any companion, really, but it happens to Rose so much more). It almost always puts her in the absolute worst light possible and makes me think just a little less of them, especially if it winds up getting in the way of solid storytelling just so they can point out how much they hate her.
That's a problem I used to have with The Ten Doctors, because the artist really didn't like Rose and used Ace as his mouthpiece for such. But whether or not he doesn't like her, he's gone and written her and Ace as getting along and blowing up Cybermen together, so I'm pleased.

174. It's a repeat, but it's Tom Waits, and who doesn't love that man?
And yes, he is sexy.

175. Lol. I'd hit it if it were Paul Bettany's.

177. Fantastic secret is fantastic!

178. I'm kind of inclined to agree, even though I don't know much about the Question. But then, I don't really like the whole "the new insert-hero-here" thing DC seems to like doing. Just make a new hero.

179. Lol. Troll is funny troll. But kinda weak.

189. I kind of hated her character-wise, but yeah. I can't really ship anyone with Bruce--he's too messed up. Well, I can do Catwoman, but that comes back to growing up on TAS.

192. Lol. See, 179, this is much better executed.

193. Well, I seriously doubt that the Comedian was the first character to sport a Chelsea grin. I don't think too many people will make that leap, but maybe I have too much faith in the movie-going populace.

This is exactly how I feel about the situation. Also, the Doctor choosing Rose romantically had no relation to how awesome Martha is. I think the show has pretty much proven she's amazing and has continually treated her as such - and will continue to do, as she gets to be on Torchwood still. We'll probably never see Rose again, on the other hand. And what about Mickey? He's black. And he's DEFINITELY experienced a huge amount of growth to the point where he's undeniably a brilliant character. This kind of opinion makes me really angry because it's reading way too much into nothing. There are things in life (and probably on Doctor Who, over the years) that are legitimately racist/stereotypical, but this is not one of them. By getting up in arms over a lesser issue, the true ones don't mean as much and get ignored.

No. I actually didn't mind Matt. He served a purpose. Well. . .in the manga. I've never seen the anime.

Exactly what I think too. He'd been in long term relationship with Rose and Martha was his rebound companion. Whoever would have followed Rose would have had the same treatment, though if it had been someone like Jack or Donna before Martha, they would have distracted him faster, just because they are more extroverted than Martha.

Mickey did turn out brilliantly, after starting the series as a bit of a dope. He grew as a character and became stronger and doing great things in the other world.

129. I "love" how people seem to think characters should pick who to date based on things like this. Do they say this kind of thing about people in real life?

Based on things like what? Are you being sarcastic at me, or at the OP. Vague.

Well no, in the context of the show, Martha's race had nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that the Doctor jerked her around while mooning over Rose.

In the context of general media trends however - yes, it is racist. The entire show is racist. Our media is racist in general. C'mon, decades worth of this show and the Doctor's never been played by a guy who isn't white. He can completely change his appearance, so there's really no good reason for that other than that white audiences are still unnerved by shows where the main characters aren't white.

Thing is - why does the poster care so much about it in Doctor Who? I'm guessing maybe they're a Martha fan for whom it particularly grates?

I mean, I adore Donna and think she's hot. So the fact that her sexuality was played for nothing but laughs for all of series four seriously grates. Of COURSE the idea that a woman who is older than 30 and not skinny could be sexy is treated as laughable in other media...but it matters more to me in Who because that's what I'm watching.

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