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⌈ Secret Post #4326 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think for a character to have a redemption arc they have to actually acknowledge they did something wrong. "Yes I volunteered for HYDRA for years and years but don't worry I'm totes on your side now!" doesn't quite cut it, imho.

[philstar22]

What i get from her arc is "oh god, I didn't know I was working for the bad guys, going to do whatever I can to make it up to you and the world." Which, to me, is a legit redemption arc.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you get that?

[philstar22]

Because that's literally what happened? She saw into Ultron's mind and realized the truth. She's spent her time since trying to make up for it. Then she caused deaths again when her powers messed up. So more guilt is piled on her.

[(Anonymous)]

But what does she actually do to change? She accidentally kills a bunch of people, gets put under house arrest, puts her boyfriend through the floor and fucks off because 'I can't control other people's fears (or, apparently, my own destructive impulses)'. That doesn't show a lot of remorse to me.

[(Anonymous)]

she realized she was gonna die too in his grand plan

there was never any remorse as far as I could tell for releasing the hulk on a densely populated area out of sheer ego/spite

also I'm not sure how turning against *Ultron* has anything to do with volunteering for hydra for revenge

there could have been an interesting dynamic between her and tony reconciling mutual severe fuckups and culpability as she became part of the team but the movies never.......bothered

I know we're told that she's doing hero avengers stuff to "try and make up for it" but the whole 30-second hawkeye speech is so painfully show don't tell that I can never buy it