[ SECRET POST #4327 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4327 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]


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[Star Trek: The Next Generation, S02E10 "The Dauphin"]


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[The Haunting of Hill House]


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[Red Dead Redemption 2]


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[Jamie & Jimmy's Food Fight Club]








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Comments

[fscom]

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[Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]

[(Anonymous)]

All of Rohan didn't work for me. That was one part where New Zealand was really wrong for Middle-earth.

[(Anonymous)]

It's so fucking true

I don't think any of Middle-Earth really worked once they left the Shire, but Edoras was by far the worst offender

[tabaqui]

I did wonder where in hell their crops came from. And their fuel....
It was really pretty, though.

[(Anonymous)]

It was really bleak. Tolkien goes on for at least a whole paragraph about the height and lushness of the grass. Gondor was bleak as well - where were the farms of the Pelennor Fields?

[(Anonymous)]

and Bree was a nightmarish horrorscape, not a warm, homey, comfortable little town as described. Peter Jackson's decisions were just not right from the start.

[(Anonymous)]

He never had the aesthetic sense of the series.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, Bree was standing in for the spookiness of the Barrow-Downs, I think. It didn't work at all well.

I still keep wondering how Bilbo got to Rivendell so quickly in film-time, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[philstar22]

I agree. TBH, I still like the movies. But this was not the Rohan of the books.

[(Anonymous)]

I had less of a problem with Edoras as I did with Minas Tirith in the movies. The second film makes it clear that there is a wider Rohirrim society with villages and farms. Minas Tirith, meanwhile, was this big, sophisticated city of stone with absolutely no support infrastructure whatsoever and no real indication that Gondor was a functioning nation outside of the capital. At least with Edoras you can make the excuse that there are no houses outside the walls because if they want to expand they can just move the stockade.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, there is a wider society shown and they're also under attack at present, so there's going to be a lot more people in the stockade than usual, and fewer crops, plus the food they ate was pretty simple. That was all clear. But Minas Tirith, where did your food come from?

[(Anonymous)]

Peej seemed to be really into elves and hobbits, and just sort of fudged the rest of it.

Like really into elves...

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. Apart from his co-writer’s pet faves (Arwen and Tauriel), every elf character was horribly mischaracterised. I still shudder at what they did to Elrond. And the films’ treat of Frodo and Merry was so dull.

[(Anonymous)]

For future reference, you'll come off as less of an "Ugh, they put vag in my sausage fest" whiner if you avoid picking the character with virtually no original characterization and a literal OC as your two examples of elves that weren't mischaracterized.

But, going back to the original comment that you responded to that had nothing to do with characterization or your dislike of icky, icky girls, elves were shoe-horned into everything with obsessive detail paid to their every move and stitch of clothing. Jackson's got an elf fetish.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, shut up. If you had bothered to read the comment instead of getting on your faux feminist high horse, you would have noted that the original commenter had said 'apart from' the co-writer's obvious self-inserts, implying that Tauriel was origninal and couldn't be mischaracterized and that Arwen might as well have been.

With that said, let's just note that Tauriel was the worst kind of OC that you could shoehorn in and that romance/triangle was cringeworthy. She added nothing of value and brought a whole lot of second-hand embarrassment for most of the adults watching.

Arwen was less of an offender, but only because Jackson's plans to insert her into parts of the narrative she had no business being in didn't work out. I give no credit to PJ and his writing team because the only reason Arwen came out better was probably because they still had a basis to work off in the original material for her. All characters added by PJ, male or female, were frankly embarrassing and most of the things he added or changed in the characterization of the existing characters were a miss. It has nothing to do with hating on vaginas and everything with bad writing.


Also, the OP of the comment you attacked for no valid reason mentioned 'all other elves,' which you would have noticed if you weren't so quick to get all self-righteous. Except for Galadriel, they were all male, and Elrond is explicitly named as the worst offender.

I agree, Elrond was horribly mischaracterized and it was really jarring. Thranduil was also unrecognizable from the character in the books. None of the other elves were what they were portrayed in the books, including Haldir, Celeborn and Legolas. Glorfindel was cut out completely. People who loved the original characters have the full right not to be impressed by this.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree with the general criticism about New Zealand not really looking like Middle Earth but... I kind of loved it, anyway. The Shire was my favorite, but I loved the great hall at Edoras even if the rest of it looked improbable.