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[ SECRET POST #596 ]

⌈ Secret Post #596 ⌋

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Though I didn't really relate to that particular character (I liked him, but I don't think I'm at all similar to him), I can understand where you're coming from. I generally tolerate people when they're not pestering me to talk to them, but in the times when I've actually tried to socialize, do what society expects from me, and generally act "normal," I get really, really irrationally angry. And depressed and pent-up and icky-feeling. So I don't do that anymore. I'm a loner and an eccentric, and I'll live as such. I'll just focus on sustaining myself and won't bother with all that extra stuff that you "need" to do to be "successful." All I need to do is work, write, have fun, and live my life. I don't need to jump through hoops for a pat on the head, though I used to think I did. Sure, I probably seem curmudgeonly (not to mention weirdly withdrawn), but as long as I'm supporting myself, it's no one's goddamn problem, and there's nothing wrong with me.

tl;dr, I hope you find a way to "live off the grid," so to speak, and that you feel better when you do. Some people just don't like being in the midst of society, and as long as they don't hurt anyone, that's up to them and just fine.

Wow. This may sound a little weird, but I seriously feel like a big weight has been lifted off my shoulders just reading your comment. I felt like you could have been describing me. I've never been sociable, and I've felt abnormal for almost as long as I can remember, and it's led to years of depression and anxiety. And I've always just listened to the people who told me that I have to change myself, I have to conform to what society expects of me, I have just keep socializing until I "get it." Not once had it ever really occurred to me that I could "live off the grid," as you say.

Thank you for posting that.

Aww, you're very welcome! I'm seriously happy I could help you. I didn't know I'd affect someone like that when I posted it. In my case, I hadn't been social or people-pleasing a day in my life until I was 17. Then something weird happened to me, and I can only really describe it as a nervous breakdown. All of a sudden, I had to overachieve and always claim my place as the smartest person in the room. Not only was I a shallow, arrogant douchebag, but I was miserable. Needless to say, I self-combusted pretty quickly, and announced that I just couldn't do it anymore. (I could then tell the tale of how I hung around that damnable college for a year after that and pretty much lost what was left of my mind, but it's a long story and not really fitting.)

Anyway, good luck with everything in the future! I hope your new lease on life brings you happiness in times to come. Remember that you're the only one who can say what's best for you. Don't follow the path others dictate for you, and don't force yourself to do anything that you know won't genuinely improve your life.

Exactly, exactly, exactly, to everything in this thread. There's so much pressure on people to conform to society, it's no surprise to me that so many people feel this affinity with the Joker, particularly teenagers who haven't been exposed to a similar character before. And if there wasn't so much pressure to conform, people wouldn't feel so angry that they thought they wanted to stab other people's eyes out, and wouldn't end up so depressed and anxious because they have to repress everything that makes them themselves.

This is where a good therapist can help, of course, because a good therapist can actually help people learn more about themselves and gain the courage to follow their own path in life. Of course, there are a fair number of crap therapists around too so it doesn't always work.

I don't think I'd really recommend therapy for this kind of thing, just say "get it if you want it." But it's not really a "need" thing in this case. I didn't when I went through my period of feeling that way, and yeah, it was hard, but that's kind of expected. But people deal with things in different ways, so it's really up to the person. I'm just extra private and tend to deal with things internally.

But that said I agree with everything you wrote up there. :D

I'd agree, but...

There is a big fucking difference between 'loner and eccentric' and 'psycho maniac who tries to imitate a fictional crazy killer irl'.

Eh, I think they sort of misinterpreted the character (he doesn't really have much of a philosophy or "getting it" about him, and that's half the fun), but the feelings themselves in that secret were really familiar to me. They don't really sound like a "maniac" to me, just fed-up. And seeing as this is their, well, secret, they probably behave normally IRL.

Laughing evilly in the bus is hardly 'normal'.

That I'll give. But it doesn't hurt anyone, and it's not like no one ever has an isolated incident of weirdness.

Meh, I just think people are reading way, waaaaaay too much in to this.

OH MY GOD.

This is the first response to this secret that actually makes sense. Thank you for writing it. It needed to be said.

Thanks! Everyone else was taking it too literally and being a little harsh. There's a way to think society is fucked-up and the people around you are petty without being ~*so edgy*~ or OMG SCARY AND INSANE. And that alone certainly isn't grounds for therapy. It's a perfectly legitimate opinion, held by many, many people. And if it took Joker to make the OP realize that (even if they did misinterpret him), then good for them. They would have come to it on their own eventually, anyway.

Ahaha wow you totally posted something similar that I wanted to say. Although there are some darker aspects of myself I can see in the Joker. I know that there's a fine line and I would never kill someone (unless I had to like, defend myself). I hate most people.. and I thought for the longest time I had to have a super mega awesome career, I had to have tons and tons of friends, I had to get married and shit out a cluster of children, and it depressed the hell out of me.
I've been a loner for a while now, having friends from the 'net visit now and then, and I've come to realize that; "Remember that you're the only one who can say what's best for you. Don't follow the path others dictate for you, and don't force yourself to do anything that you know won't genuinely improve your life." and I've never been happier. :3

To the OP:
Five or more years after you graduate from High School... and if you still feel that way then well damn... because I see myself when I was 16-18 in your secret.
I think part of the point the Joker was trying to make was that you should embrace the 'strange'- what normal people call strange. I have many different views on what he means by "I'm not crazy. I'm not." could go many ways that.. he's so complex you can't really figure it out.
As long as you're happy with who you are. Do what you (legally) gotta do. If people laugh at you so what. I gets easier over time, trust me. I mean I don't like the majority of the world either, but killing people is kind of illegal, and I don't believe I have the authority to take someone else's life.
Joker is like the new fucking Tyler of Fight Club.
I really hope you find a way, because I just see myself in that secret when I was in High School.. and man.. just know it does get easier.

Edited 2008-08-24 13:21 (UTC)

Trufax. Especially the last line.

It reminded me of me when I was 17-19 and had the brilliant idea of trying college. /sarcasm

I don't even know why I did that. I just kind of cracked and thought I would conform and "achieve" for a while. Like I said before, it didn't work and I ended up feeling worse than I ever had.

(This whole subject is kind of close to me. Because during that time when I was miserable in school, I rediscovered Nishi from Gantz. Who's also... Kinda psycho. [Though much less so.] He's really misanthropistic and contempts society for the same reasons I do. But how did he start out? Just some poor kid who threw himself off a building because he was so overwhelmed and couldn't take it anymore. I saw so much of myself in him, and he sort of represented where I would end up if I kept at it. Sure, he's no one to try to be like, but he was what I needed to see at that time in my life.)

I think you are simply talking about individuals who don't want to conform to the trends of a mass, while the secret is just about a hormonal kid who watched too much TDK and wants to be zomg cynical & hardcore like a movie deranged killer.

Completely different things, really.

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