[ SECRET POST #4339 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4339 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Suits]


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[Fantastic Beasts 2, Toby Regbo]


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[Chicago PD]


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[Close Encounters of the Third Kind]


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[Gerard and Mikey Way, formerly of My Chemical Romance]


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

almost everyone has a mary sue stage at some point in their life, usually early in their writing/fandom experiences. I think its an important part of growing as a writer and a person. You want to see a character you identify with and you want to be the hero of a story and you want to get the love interest at the end and have the attention you probably don't irl. So the wish fulfillment comes out and I think its a healthy way for it to happen. Young writers, girls and boys but girls in particular NEED that when so much of society is telling them they're silly or unimportant or only good as love interests themselves. Yeah sure its cringy to read as an older adult but new beginners need that kind of thing (and lets face it, the need never really goes away to get to be the hero, etc. It just gets buried in better writing and breaking up the parts of yourself or what you want to see into multiple characters and understanding how character journeys and development work). If you're going to start something on the internet, you're going to get a wide variety of people at different stages of their life and writing. You're going to get young kids (or just 'young' writers) that need to start with mary sues before they can progress. You should have praised the parts that were actually well done and either ignored or picked one or two of the most egregious mary sue flaws to gently suggest minor adjustments to. Good writers aren't born. They develop and you were in a position to help kids get the mary sue out of their systems and grow into better writers. If you don't understand that you're going to get a lot of people that aren't all on the same level and you're just going to judge everyone by the same stick, maybe you should have either been picker about who you let into your group - or just stuck with writing friends. Writing doesn't need gatekeepers any more than fandom does.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's just not fun to read. OCs inserted into fanfic are already contentious enough with most folks, since there could be issues with the OC detracting from the feel of the canon. (I personally am okay with OCS if I feel they help and mesh well.) But the term Mary Sue refers to egregiously bad examples of OCs. If the OC is not enjoyable, it's more than likely going to be labeled a Mary Sue.

Self-insert characters can be alright, but Mary Sues refer to only bad examples. It'd be natural to be frustrated if one is surrounded by only bad examples, when good OCs can and do exist.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Side note: I am endlessly amused by author notes telling people not to use their OCs without their permission. First, no problem
Second-- babe. You write fanfic! Irony much?

[(Anonymous)]

Excellent post. Well said.