[ SECRET POST #4345 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4345 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry for the exceptionally late, thought I'd already posted this today! At least it'll be here for everybody in the morning.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Because Darth Vader was a competent and compelling villain, and his backstory/motivation is a lifetime of slavery and deceit (which does nothing to excuse any of his actions, of course, but does make his "fuck the Jedi" argument pretty understandable). Kylo, by contrast, was /almost/ attacked by his uncle in a moment of terror and weakness about the young Kylo's morals, and proceeds to...prove Luke right immediately by murdering most of the other students and going on to essentially recreate the Empire.

At least Darth Vader lacked loving parents and a full grasp of consequences. Kylo looked at the history of his family and the galaxy as a whole and went "yeah let's do all of that horrible stuff AGAIN"

[philstar22]

Kylo was so completely manipulated and abused by Snoke from such a young age without anyone being aware of it and able to counteract it that he has no sense of reality whatsoever. He may have had great parents, but they weren't really there and thus weren't able to eee in time what was happening to him. It is a bit disingenuous to say that "kylo looked at the history of this family and the galaxy as a whole" when Kylo has no idea the real history. He thinks Vader died for the Empire. He thinks the Empire was a good thing (and not just in a sense that his morals are twisted, though they are, but in the sense that he has no idea the real history at all).

[(Anonymous)]

Where was all of this stated? (It wasn't in the movies, was it?) How do we know Leia and Han weren't there for him? Why wouldn't he have known the history of the Empire? He was being trained as a Jedi with Luke--I'd think "where did all the other Jedi go" would be Jedi Training 101 in that era.

[philstar22]

It was pretty obvious to me in TFA that Han and Leia had been rather absentee parents. Not saying they were bad. Just, they were both focused on other things and kind of left it to Luke to take care of Kylo. Admittedly, the books make it more explicit, but I think it is still there in the movies. Same with Snoke's manipulation. Made much more explicit in the books, but still there in the movies. Leia even says in TFA that it is Snoke who made Kylo what he is.

I think he would have gotten both versions of the history. But Snoke was clearly good at lying and making his version more appealing. And Luke's near attempt at killing Kylo, even though it was only a momentary thought, confirmed for Kylo that Snoke was right. And therefore would have made him believe, if he didn't already before, that Snoke must be right about everything.

[(Anonymous)]

OP of the sentiment behind the secret here and THANK YOU JFC. Where is the “Snoke mind controlled baby Ben and Leia and Han were shit parents” coming from, because ffs it’s not the films. You can infer that backstory but that’s like starting with two stick figures and ending with the Sistine Chapel. I feel like 80% of Kylo’s sympathetic backstory is coming from people who saw the films and thought Kylo was hot (raises hand) and wanted to know more about him as a result and read the film novelizations/hunted through creative team interviews for evidence that he wasn’t a total whiny pissbaby murdering wankstain (chops hands off.)

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT Right???

Personally I don't think it's that hard to find someone hot AND still think they're a whiny pissbaby murderer with no particular reason for their evil but apparently that's really hard for some people.

[philstar22]

Since I don't find him particularly attractive, that's not true for me. I read the novels because I always read the Star Wars novels. In this case, they are canon, and they do in fact expand on what I think is already in the movies a little bit.

Also, I don't think Han and Leia were completely shit parents. I just think that in Han's case he had no idea what he was doing and in Leia's case she was very focused on everything going on with creating the New Republic and then being at odds with the people who she used to work with. She's just a very focused and passionate person, and it makes total sense to me that Ben/Kylo might not have gotten as much of her time as he should have. Which makes her a totally normal parent in fact, and it wouldn't have done any damage to him if not for Snoke whispering in his mind, which no one was expecting or knew about.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah it's so confusing seeing people argue this point like it's in the movies, when it's not???

there's a one-off line about 'snoke getting to him' and THAT'S IT, and even that's not expanded upon at all. in the movies he's just some petulant child who's trying to eke the glory-days of evil-grandfather and i'm supposed to care? nah, he can diaf.