[ SECRET POST #4354 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4354 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Their relationship was always so creepy and overly melodramatic. It was my least favorite part of the show, and whenever they brought it up after AtS spun off, it dragged both series down, IMO. Esp AtS because they always had to modify or downright forget Angel's current characterization and concerns to fit into whatever story they were trying to tell with Buffy.

[(Anonymous)]

I always felt like Angel was so much more enjoyable on his own show than he ever was on Buffy. Like whenever he and Buffy were together he was suddenly the smoldering tortured king of angst and then he'd go back to his own show and it would be like 'this is Angel, he's a big dweeb and he loves Barry Manilow.'

[(Anonymous)]

+1 to both of the above comments. I loved Angel on his own series, and I felt like he actually had his own personality. On Buffy, he was just a cardboard cutout of handsome-brooding-mysterious. And I hated the way all of Angel's character development had to fly out the window when he interacted with Buffy in her series. I'm thinking of that very late-series episode of Buffy, and Angel just pained me in that episode, he was so OOC.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I thought it worked. Plenty of people have shitty, intense, unhealthy past relationships that somehow manage to drag them back in despite themselves, undo all their progress.

Buffy and Angel were both cool people on their own, and they knew they were super bad for each other despite not meaning to be. But they still felt passion for each other and hoped they could be together, like maybe this time it can work, maybe this time we won't fuck it up. But it never worked in their favor.

[(Anonymous)]

Really great point!! *makes fic writing note*

[tree_and_leaf]

That's an excellent point.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, while I see your argument, it's still not something that's interesting to me. If they couldn't come up with something better, they didn't need to bring back Angel at all. It was an insult to both characters' growth and development, and to the viewers who cared about (or preferred) AtS by treating it as non-existent just for another round of tortured Buffy/Angel angst.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I would agree to that; they were definitely more interesting people apart. But it makes sense why they would devolve everytime they met up.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, that was awful. I felt like they kept trying to keep all shippers on side, and get cred for a 'I choose me!' Buffy conclusion, when actually, it came across as a huge mess. (So Angel came from basically selling out himself and his friends to save his emotionally broken son - not to mention Cordelia being in a coma - to lame snarking with Spike over his ex? And does the last episode of the show called 'Buffy' really need Angel Ex Machina and Spike dying to save the world? The Gift was probably a better ending in terms of respect for the titular character.)