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Seeing a picture of 11 year old Harry and Ron with the words "They treat women terribly" cracked me up this evening.

same, lol

I guess they could have tried treating Molly terribly, but I think they'd have regretted that very quickly.

Really? Because they were idiot teenage boys who waited too late to ask the girls they liked out and stupidly asked two groupies instead?

How about we talk about how Hermione physically attacked another girl?

Teenagers are dumb as fuck 99% of the time and we don't know enough of their adulthood to make any sort of judgement imo.

NO! Teenagers with PTSD but be 100% woke all the time.

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ninety6tears - 2018-12-07 05:39 (UTC) - Expand

right

Did they treat Hermione/Ginny/etc any different than their male friends? They acted like normal, self centered teenagers to me.

We all know that no girls in history are willing to date self-centered men

(Anonymous) - 2018-12-06 23:13 (UTC) - Expand

LBR, their male friends were basically each other, Dean/Seamus/Neville were afterthoughts in the story.

I don't think there's any point in digging super deeply into this, but just in general, the idea that romantic success is coupled with human worth is just wrong. It's objectively untrue. It's nonsensical.

Damn, this "Hermione is unappreciated" salt runs deep with this OP, huh?

So young boys not acting like men means they aren't allowed to be with a woman when they grow up? Right.

I really want OP's ruling on what other people do and don't deserve to be loved

I don't remember that well, but didn't Ginny treat a few people not very well? By your logic, wouldn't that mean she and Harry deserve each other?

Not the OP, but IMO, throughout the books, almost all of the 'main' kid/teen characters acted like complete and total dipshits at some point when it came to being hormonal idiotic teenagers.

Yeah, Ginny was an asshole several times, particularly to other girls. And I seem to recall Hermione being one of the most vicious kids in the story many, many times. And they were both amazingly cruel and unfair to Fleur, along with Molly.

Meanwhile Harry is one of the nicest kids in the story overall, and had many moments where it was clear he absolutely 100% valued the girls around him. Him and Ron both stick up for Hermione several times per book, and later on once he realizes she isn't a loon Harry is one of Luna's biggest advocates.

Pretty much any criticism you can levy against Harry and Ron, you could say about Hermione and Ginny as well. Because they're a bunch of dumb moody teenagers.

Re: Wait...

(Anonymous) - 2018-12-07 07:38 (UTC) - Expand

If this is trolling, it's A+ work. But really though, pull the other one.

(Anonymous) - 2018-12-07 00:01 (UTC) - Expand

Add another: they're teenagers

Do they ever fool around? Like one very late, very not sober and frustrated night?

They were teenage boys. I felt it was all pretty in character to be honest. The bull was when JK wrote it all off as 'it was fine la la la la la they all got married, kids yay'

Absolutely. Because children never grow up, and adolescents who spend the years from 11 to 17 embroiled in a war against evil are definitely going to be paragons of Tumblr purity. Especially when they are fictional characters who were written before Tumblr was a thing. Jesus Christ.

I don't think you can judge how they would treat women as adults by what you see when they're kids who are being forced to grow up too fast by a war, thereby NOT getting normal socialization during their later teens. They both have SO much room to grow between seventeen and thirty.

I think there are definitely times when they treat girls badly, but it's not indicative of who they are or mean to be-- there's not a teenage boy on the planet who doesn't sometimes treat the girls/women in his life badly, just as there's not one who doesn't sometimes treat his male friends badly, because part of growing up is learning how to treat people and how to be in charge of your emotions so that you can behave better to people. Harry and Ron also treat each other poorly sometimes, but it doesn't mean they aren't good friends in the end, it means they're CHILDREN who are going through things no child should have to go through, who are emotional and sometimes dumb.

And Harry treats Luna better than most people, honestly?? We see Ron grow into a person who treats Hermione better! We see him make mistakes, and learn from them, and sometimes he goes back to being laddish for a while. For that matter, Hermione is not the perfect friend, either, Hermione is not immune to acting on her emotions without thinking about others. But as a girl, she's forced to live to a different standard from a much younger age, and so there are fewer instances-- not because she's inherently a better friend or human being, but because of how boys and girls are socialized, and also how each individual kid out of the trio has been socialized prior to Hogwarts!

(Anonymous) - 2018-12-07 05:41 (UTC) - Expand

Damn, that's some good tea right there

+1, but f_s has a weird over-identification with this series, so they gotta use the old 'if there wasn't ceaseless sexism in the series, it wouldn't be REAL, teenagers be like' as if these are some psychologically accurate tomes.