[ SECRET POST #4357 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4357 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

True. Netflix is not a hero, and not everything is Disney's fault.

But when you look at what's in the financial interest of both parties, it seems like Disney has a much stronger financial incentive for these shows to go away, and Netflix has a stronger incentive for them to stick around. And to the extent that Netflix has an incentive to take them down, that's still primarily in response to Disney's actions in the space of putting together their own streaming service. So it seems to me that Disney is probably playing some role in driving these decisions, whatever they say.

And even then, that's not bad in itself. But when you put it into the broad context that this is part of corporate consolidation in the entertainment space, and the fact that Disney is one of the major actors driving that, it's no good. No good for anyone buyt Disney.

[(Anonymous)]

No, they don't. The Marvel shows cost a lot of money. Like...a lot. And they don't make any money. The Marvel shows are not nearly as popular as people on here seem to think.

Again, Netflix has been purging content that they do not make themselves. Unless you think that Disney is also the reason they canceled American Vandal?

[(Anonymous)]

it's like when everyone here was outraged that they cancelled Forever and renewed Galavant on ABC despite the fact that Forever was a property split between ABC and WB so the rights were more expensive and it wasn't a dogfight between the two shows to begin with.

Netflix cancelling shows does not mean it HAS to be related to Disney's streaming service. the two things can be mutually exclusive.

[(Anonymous)]

Netflix cancelling shows does not mean it HAS to be related to Disney's streaming service. the two things can be mutually exclusive.

This is, undeniably, a logically true statement

[(Anonymous)]

"They don't make any money" is an extremely weird thing to say about any Netflix show, given what their business model is. Even before we get into how opaque their finances are. Did the Marvel Netflix shows help draw and keep subscribers? I don't know the answer to that, I fundamentally can't answer that, I don't have the information on their popularity.

But if they did draw any subscribers, that effect would diminish significantly in the near future due to Disney's decisions. We do know that Netflix advertised and promoted the shows like they were generally part of their business plans. And we do know that, even if you think Netflix had a good reason to cancel the shows, Disney had a much stronger motivation for doing so.

So to me, those are strong reasons to think that Disney might have had some influence on the decision. And your argument against that idea seems to mostly be that you're angry that other people are maligning Disney.

Again, Netflix has been purging content that they do not make themselves. Unless you think that Disney is also the reason they canceled American Vandal?

The reason that they're purging content that they don't make themselves is because they're worried about their partners starting their own streaming services and pulling content off Netflix as a result. Easily the most significant and impactful incident of this trend is Disney's planned streaming service. So, obviously it's not Disney's fault that Netflix cancelled American Vandal, but I'm not sure it helps your case, either.

[(Anonymous)]

The reason that they're purging content that they don't make themselves is because they're worried about their partners starting their own streaming services and pulling content off Netflix as a result. Easily the most significant and impactful incident of this trend is Disney's planned streaming service. So, obviously it's not Disney's fault that Netflix cancelled American Vandal, but I'm not sure it helps your case, either.


so netflix is cancelling everything that isn't theirs alone just because the people who do make them might one day somehow start their own streaming service? are you even fucking serious right now?

[(Anonymous)]

The crazy thing is...they are. It is hilarious.

[(Anonymous)]

what's your explanation

[(Anonymous)]

netflix is, now bear with me, a big grown-up company that makes its own decision sometimes, based on its own decisions alone.

[(Anonymous)]

Of course. But they also probably have some reasons for their decision - some reason for thinking that it would be in their financial interest. It seems unlikely that the shows that are underperforming for them just happen to be the ones that they make with external partners. On the other hand, it seems to make sense that Netflix would want to own as much of their own content as possible, as other content producers move towards creating their own streaming platforms and becoming direct competitors with Netflix.

That doesn't make Netflix victims, or morally right, or anything. I just think it's the most likely explanation for their behavior. I really have no idea what you're even saying at this point tbh, or what you think is happening

[(Anonymous)]

The reason being that Netflix doesn't want to share profits on things. Especially things they can't get merchandising for.

Why waste money on an R-Rated Superhero show they can't merchandise for when they can spend money on things they can make truckloads of money from with profits and merchandising (Stranger Things, Voltron, The Haunting of Hill House)?

[(Anonymous)]

OK, so what changed to make them feel that way? Because clearly, they were OK with these profit-sharing deals for a long time, based on the fact that they entered into them in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

Netflix has been really open about wanting to make more original content.

https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/22/netflix-raising-2-billion-dollars-for-original-content/

They WANT to own their shit. It is just a coincidence this happened now

[(Anonymous)]

It's not a coincidence.

From your source: "In its Q3 earnings report, Netflix emphasized how important it would be to continue to offer quality original programming, especially featuring new stars like the popular teen rom-com To All the Boys I've Loved Before, in order to stay competitive... The company is likely eyeing Disney's upcoming streaming service (perhaps the reason it cancelled both Marvel's Iron Fist and the more popular Luke Cage), as well as competition from HBO and Hulu. Amazon has Netflix squarely in its sights when it comes to streaming competition and original programming, so it's understandable the company wants to make sure it has enough capital to keep increasing subscriber growth and putting out content its viewers want to watch."

Increased competition from other streaming services, including Disney, is a huge part of Netflix' strategic mindset and its motivation for making all those moves. And in that context, the fact that your content library is full of things that are owned by your direct competitor is a really bad thing. It's just completely not a viable long term strategy.

So, yes, Netflix wants to invest in original programming. A huge part of its reason for doing so is its concern about streaming competition. Disney is one of the biggest of those competitors. And the other side of the coin is, for all the same reasons that it makes sense for Netflix to invest in original content, it doesn't make sense for Disney to continue letting Netflix use its valuable intellectual property. I don't know that Disney necessarily forced Netflix to do anything, but they clearly didn't want to be in business together anymore, and it wouldn't surprise me if they put pressure on Netflix. The writing has been on the wall since they announced their competitor service.

And all of that still isn't bad in and of itself, except that Disney is already one of the biggest players in an increasingly concentrated industry.