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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-12-16 03:15 pm

[ SECRET POST #4365 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4365 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Stargate SG-1)


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[Great British Bake Off]


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[Umbrella Academy]


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[cook and food writer Samin Nosrat, Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat]


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(Kim Taehyung)


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[Avengers: Endgame]










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Re: Fandom Gripes / Venting / Complaints

(Anonymous) 2018-12-16 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
One thing I always thought with ABO, male omegas and female alphas, was how weird it was in-universe that the societies have purely RL values and prejudices. I mean, the standard ABO plot of repression/stigma against male omegas, and occasionally female alphas in stories where they exist. It makes sense RL, given real trans- and homophobia and sexism, but I'd have thought there'd be a lot more variety of stigmas in a society that's always had dual sexual characteristics as a feature of its biology.

In particular, I'd love to see ABO stories where the prejudice goes the other way, towards male alphas and female omegas, specifically because they lack dual characteristics. If we're imagining a society with prejudices still based on fertility and procreation. Like, male omegas and female alphas are basically hermaphroditic, and are considered the pinnacle of social desirability because they can fulfil either role in a relationship. And, by the same token, male omega/female alpha would be considered the ideal relationship model, because it maximises chances of procreation when both parties can trade off begetting and bearing children. It is considered the combination with the most flexibility and chance of success, and therefore the most desirable.

By contrast, male alphas and female omegas are considered lesser because they are purely geared towards one role or the other. They are considered biologically and socially limited, and therefore less desirable. They're acceptable, particularly when paired with each other, but are basically second-class in terms of social desirability.

Because you could do interesting things with something like that. You could have major taboos on relationships between single-sexed and dual-sexed individuals, but for the opposite reasons to RL. A male alpha mating with a male omega is considered demeaning to the omega, because his husband's limitations mean that he will in turn be stuck in one role for the rest of his life, unable to enjoy the full benefits of his sex. Same with male alpha/female alpha (demeaning to female), female alpha/female omega (demeaning to alpha), and male omega/female omega (demeaning to male). So there would be an element of homophobia and sexism to explore, but for very different reasons.

And maybe homosexual relationships between dual-sexed individuals are more acceptable than between single-sexed as well. Because two male omegas can still give each other a child, as can two female alphas, so they can still perform most of their social roles. Whereas two male alphas or two female omegas have all the problems RL gay/lesbian couples have when it comes to views on children and parenthood.

And trying to gain or lose sexual characteristics becomes a massive mess of issues, from ideas of people trying to cut out a vital part of themselves, or force their way into a higher social tier by falsehood, or any number of vicious social messes.

Basically, a society where the tiers of social acceptability are based not purely on one sex axis or the other, but on the combinations of the two. A society where dual-sexed individuals have more advantages than single-sexed ones. RL desires and prejudices are often based on a (predominantly) single-sexed view. A society where being dual-sexed has always been a mainstream option might develop different ones. Or extremely similar ones, but on slightly skewed lines.

Re: Fandom Gripes / Venting / Complaints

(Anonymous) 2018-12-17 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
That sounds absolutely fascinating and if I ever get the inspiration I'll try and tackle a bit of that.

I started an A/B/O YEARS ago and never finished it centering around an omega who roided up for sports and presented as an alpha, and it meant to go into alpha/alpha (transalpha??) taboos... I'd never seen anything in A/B/O going into alpha/alpha and omega/omega and those prejudices against... secondary gender homosexuality I guess, along with the potential intricacies you pointed out. I wish I'd had the motivation to continue with that.