[ SECRET POST #4368 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4368 ⌋

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[philstar22]

Of course they can and often do. Sam and Dean, though, as they are characterized on the show, don't strike me as ones who would.

[(Anonymous)]

How so? They will literally damn the world for family.

[philstar22]

Yes. And my impression is that from characters like them, that kind of loyalty is earned. It fits with season 1-2 John who was abusive, but who loved them and only wanted to keep them safe. It doesn't fit with the later John who didn't really seem to care about them much at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Season 1 John was such an asshole, he didn't go check on his dying son. He was such an asshole dean realized he was possessed because he was being nice. But I guess he didn't actively slap them around, so good for him.

[philstar22]

I'm not saying he was a good father. I'm not saying he wasn't abusive, because he was. I'm saying he loved them and didn't know how to show it. I'm saying he was terrified for them and wanted to protect them (and in particular Sam since he knew Yellow Eyes was after him) and just didn't not know how to do things right. I'm just saying the love was there in the earlier seasons and that is the thing they've changed.

[(Anonymous)]

How did they change it in later seasons? From what I saw he has always been the same level of asshole who neglects his sons except for when he is training than like soldiers.

[philstar22]

They made it seem as if he only cared about the hunt and didn't care about his sons at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Like the kind of father who would force his children to live out of motels? Or make a child take care of his little brother with no idea if dad will be coming home? Or the kind who would take his kids on a hunt for a monster who kills kids, and then blame a child for not protecting his little brother from that monster? Sounds like someone who barely cares about his kids.

[(Anonymous)]

They made it seem as if he only cared about the hunt and didn't care about his sons at all.

Yeah, as someone who's only seen the first four seasons, this wasn't the impression of him I got at all. So I'm inclined to agree with you about the show changing its portrayal of him over time. He definitely didn't seem like a great dad in the early seasons, but it did seem like a lot of the things he did he did out of a somewhat obsessive and perhaps misguided desire to protect his kids.

I mean, there's definitely a validity in Sam and Dean going, "Sometimes it felt like hunting demons had become such a part of Dad's identity that he was essentially doing it because it was what he did, regardless of all the reasons he gave for why he had to Hunt." That kind of rethinking of the past by adult Sam and Dean would be absolutely valid, and there may well be some truth in it. But going off of the first few seasons, it definitely never seemed that his primary reason for Hunting was, like, personal fulfillment or whatever.