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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2018-12-25 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #4374 ]


⌈ Secret Post #4374 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Disney/Doctor Who crossover]


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[Avatar: The Last Airbender]


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(Markiplier and his friend Wade)


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[Dumplin' on Netflix]


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[Daredevil]


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[Criminal Minds S03E13 "Limelight"]










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thewakokid: (Default)

Re: No one is here

[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-12-26 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, toxic masculinity is traditionally those things.

It not, as the current topic is about, how "Male violence is everywhere and unique and different from women. Men are the violent ones and if they went away women would be safe to walk the street at night"

I tell you to look up toxic masculinity as an example of how that is the current narrative, and you come back with "Yeah, that's toxic masculinity, we're trying to change that" (paraphrased of course") then yeah, I think you're broadening the term far beyond those points you listed there and have moved from "Toxic Masculinity is somthing men do to themselves" and into "Toxic masculinty is what men do to women" which is the current feminist ideologue thinking of the term.
thewakokid: (Default)

Re: No one is here

[personal profile] thewakokid 2018-12-26 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
But yeah, I think this disingenuous bullshit you're pulling here is just confirming my gut instincts that there's no point trying to engage someone who is so engaged in the narrative that anyone who has a problem with the utter bullshit parts of feminism is a troll.

Re: No one is here

(Anonymous) 2018-12-26 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oi, again with you and this "narrative," which is very much in "citation needed" territory, followed by bitching that anyone who is reasonably skeptical of your claim that feminists believe men can't change are ideologues.

Re: No one is here

(Anonymous) 2018-12-26 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
It not, as the current topic is about, how "Male violence is everywhere and unique and different from women. Men are the violent ones and if they went away women would be safe to walk the street at night"

In the world as it exists right now, men are largely the ones that instigate violence against women as a result of the social decisions we make about how we socialize and educate men. That set of social attitudes about masculinity is often called "toxic masculinity". One way to illustrate the impact of these behaviors is to imagine a hypothetical world with no men - the difference between how women would live in that world, and how they live in this world, illustrates the size and scale of the problem.

If we want to make the world better, and reduce that violence, the best way to do so is to socialize men better so that they don't do these behaviors. This will reduce violence against women, and also probably make men happier and healthier and make the world a better place. And this is one of the main political objectives of feminism.